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Offline Carana

Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #435 on: May 25, 2014, 12:42:07 PM »
Perhaps they thought they could get a quick solution with their superior technology.

Part of the issue was trying to identify who the numbers belonged to, wasn't it? If there weren't any in the vicinity aside from Murat, then there wouldn't have been the need, surely?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #436 on: May 25, 2014, 12:51:02 PM »
Regardless of recent reports Gonçalo Amaral was very clear about mobile phone activity around the Ocean Club on the night that Madeleine disappeared. The only calls which caused suspicion were those made by Robert Murat.

I don't take a lot of notice about what amaral says...he was sacked from the case and all his conclusions were contradicted in the Portuguese archiving report

Offline jassi

Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #437 on: May 25, 2014, 12:52:52 PM »
Part of the issue was trying to identify who the numbers belonged to, wasn't it? If there weren't any in the vicinity aside from Murat, then there wouldn't have been the need, surely?

Judging by the phone records that have been published, there would seem to have been quite a few, but none seem to have led anywhere - as far as we know.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #438 on: May 25, 2014, 12:54:01 PM »
Judging by the phone records that have been published, there would seem to have been quite a few, but none seem to have led anywhere - as far as we know.

they haven't led anywhere because SY have been refused permission to follow up their information from what I can see

Offline John

Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #439 on: May 25, 2014, 01:19:14 PM »
If that's the case, why have the Met spent considerable time on phone activity?

I believe the answer to that is that the Portuguese mobile telephony investigations concentrated on the mast in the immediate area of Ocean Club Blocks 4/5 and since Murat lived nearby it was inevitable that his phone would ping that mast.  Scotland Yard on the other hand appear to have cast their net much wider and consequently brought several others into the frame.
« Last Edit: May 25, 2014, 01:20:54 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

stephen25000

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Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #440 on: May 25, 2014, 01:32:48 PM »
I don't take a lot of notice about what amaral says...he was sacked from the case and all his conclusions were contradicted in the Portuguese archiving report

Of course you don't and we know why.

He was sacked after he objected to interference in the case.

The archiving process occurred since the case was going nowhere, due to lack of evidence.

It does not mean however, that he was wrong in saying Madeleine probably died in the apartment.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #441 on: May 27, 2014, 09:51:00 AM »
Does the area where the digs are taking place, rule out the smith sighting

Offline pegasus

Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #442 on: May 27, 2014, 09:07:09 PM »
Does the area where the digs are taking place, rule out the smith sighting
The press-reported list of search areas includes the large site (west of Rua 1 Maio) which is between the apartment and the Smith sighting.
If Smithman was the perp he could end up at that site only if he reversed direction after being seen by the 9 witnesses, which of course would be a clever move.
« Last Edit: May 27, 2014, 09:09:40 PM by pegasus »

icabodcrane

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Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #443 on: May 27, 2014, 09:16:40 PM »
The press-reported list of search areas includes the large site (west of Rua 1 Maio) which is between the apartment and the Smith sighting.
If Smithman was the perp he could end up at that site only if he reversed direction after being seen by the 9 witnesses, which of course would be a clever move.

Or perhaps the police have reason to believe he discarded something  'en-route'   

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #444 on: May 27, 2014, 09:44:25 PM »
The press-reported list of search areas includes the large site (west of Rua 1 Maio) which is between the apartment and the Smith sighting.
If Smithman was the perp he could end up at that site only if he reversed direction after being seen by the 9 witnesses, which of course would be a clever move.

If they believe Smithman moved her an hour before he was seen only 250 metres away then they believe she was hidden there. If Madeleine didn't move the door before 9 according to Gerry then Smithman had to have done it  8(0(* I believe they've been tracking his movements for the new digs. So that would mean Smithman was hiding in the apartment when Gerry checked. I'm surprised Gerry didn't see Smithman  >@@(*&)
« Last Edit: May 27, 2014, 10:12:52 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Silkywhiskers

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Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #445 on: May 27, 2014, 11:42:02 PM »
Gerry didn't see Smithman despite being in the apartment urinating when Madeleine was already deceased.

If you believe that you believe....all of it.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #446 on: May 27, 2014, 11:53:42 PM »
Gerry didn't see Smithman despite being in the apartment urinating when Madeleine was already deceased.

If you believe that you believe....all of it.


Gerry should've checked behind the mirror.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #447 on: May 28, 2014, 12:02:35 AM »
Or perhaps the police have reason to believe he discarded something  'en-route'   
If someone wanted to discard an ancillary material item (such as a weapon as some press reports imagine) he would simply throw it over the panel fence into the north part of that that big upcoming search area where it would fall in vegetation.

Silkywhiskers

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Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #448 on: May 29, 2014, 12:03:37 AM »
The dig is expected to start Monday, according to the Guardian.

Interesting times....

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/may/28/madeleine-mccann-portugal-uk-police-search-next-week

Offline VIXTE

Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #449 on: May 29, 2014, 12:52:30 AM »
McCanns still don't believe Madeleine is dead.  And SY.. even if they had to dig it doesn't mean their only theory is that Madeleine is dead. Maybe just one of the theories they have to investigate further.

BTW these digs should have been done back in 2007..