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icabodcrane

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Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #495 on: May 29, 2014, 11:27:56 PM »
Have you thought, Icabod, that there might have been rumours about places? 
That there might have been a slight possibility that Madeleine had been hidden in road works that were filled in the following day. 
That their radar searching equipment may have pinpointed some things tha might have been a body (an animal, or anything)

And that they are ruling all the possibilities out before going for the main peeps?



I wonder why Murat put a stop on the Police digging his drive up?  Now that could present problems.

But I feel sure that the police radar has identified if there is anything to worry about .... and if there is reasonable doubt, then I feel sure that they will be able to dig it up.

The question is, 'Why did Murat try and stop it being dug up?'  Now, I find thta suspicious tbh.
Waht is he hiding?   Is he helping someone?   Is he causing obfuscation?


What? why? 
 

There has to be a real reason, cos he could have had a new drive for free.

So you think Scotland Yard have brought in military helicopters and JCB's so they can rule out  'rumours'   ? 

Thanks for answering the question anyway

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #496 on: May 29, 2014, 11:34:17 PM »
So you think Scotland Yard have brought in military helicopters and JCB's so they can rule out  'rumours'   ? 

Thanks for answering the question anyway
What do you think the digs around Ben Needham's grandparents house were based on?  Did the digs there help to rule anything out?  Did you assume that once they were announced as going ahead that it was because the police were pretty sure he was buried there? 

Silkywhiskers

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Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #497 on: May 29, 2014, 11:36:23 PM »
What do you think the digs around Ben Needham's grandparents house were based on?  Did the digs there help to rule anything out?  Did you assume that once they were announced as going ahead that it was because the police were pretty sure he was buried there?

Answer the question.

We aren't talking about Ben Needham.

We are talking about a "SUBSTANTIAL PHASE" of the investigation.

icabodcrane

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Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #498 on: May 29, 2014, 11:41:08 PM »
What do you think the digs around Ben Needham's grandparents house were based on?  Did the digs there help to rule anything out?  Did you assume that once they were announced as going ahead that it was because the police were pretty sure he was buried there?

tut tut  ...  more attempts at distraction

Let's talk about  these  digs

What are the Met looking for ?   and how does a murdering burglar fit into the scenario  ?

Offline pegasus

Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #499 on: May 29, 2014, 11:57:38 PM »
It's not a 'dig'. It's entirely possible that no digging takes place at all.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #500 on: May 30, 2014, 12:04:00 AM »
Have you thought, Icabod,
-  That there might have been rumours about places? 
-  That there might have been a slight possibility that Madeleine had been hidden in road works that were filled in the following day. 
-  That their radar searching equipment may have pinpointed some things tha might have been a body (an animal, or anything)

And that they are ruling all the possibilities out before going for the main peeps?



I wonder why Murat put a stop on the Police digging his drive up?  Now that could present problems.

But I feel sure that if the police radar has identified anything and they think there is anything to worry about .... and if there is reasonable doubt, then I feel sure that they will be able to dig it up.


The question is, 'Why did Murat try and stop it being dug up?'  Now, I find thta suspicious tbh.
Waht is he hiding?   Is he helping someone?   Is he causing obfuscation?


What? why? 


In my opinion the speculation that strangers to a locale would be able to dispose of a body without trace is ridiculous and if the situation were not so serious hysterically funny . 

If a body were to be secreted it is logical to place it in a location which has already been thoroughly searched ~ where vegetation has been cut back ~ where cellars under the house have been inspected ~ where CSI and EVRDs have searched ~ where ground radar has been used. 

Only a local with unlimited access to the site and the time and opportunity could do that. 

Like Sadie, I too find the situation regarding Mr Murat’s driveway odd and would like it to be dug up for elimination purposes sooner rather than later. 

However I do not believe Madeleine is interred there nor do I believe she was interred anywhere else in Priai Da Luz. 

I think she was taken out of the area immediately after her abduction. 

I think Mr Murat is indeed causing obfuscation, perhaps one day we will find out the reason why.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #502 on: May 30, 2014, 12:53:06 AM »
Hone on the correct peeps? You don't go to these lengths on a whim you do it if you know who the prime suspect is and need proof to bring those responsible to justice. These digs are to find clues to see where Madeleine was hidden on 3 MAY. The prime suspect was seen carrying her away so she was taken somewhere near by. So they are hoping to find clues to where and the cadaver dogs are back!
« Last Edit: May 30, 2014, 05:41:12 AM by John »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Silkywhiskers

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Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #503 on: May 30, 2014, 12:55:47 AM »
Well it starts on Monday, so soon we will see.

I remind you all, once again, the digs are a "substantial phase" meaning - THEY EXPECT TO FIND SOMETHING.

That is irrefutable, no matter how many insults you all throw, no matter how much irrationality you shriek.




Offline pathfinder73

Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #504 on: May 30, 2014, 01:17:53 AM »
Large tract of waste ground adjacent to Rua 25 de Abril which could be searched next week according to latest Press reports.

Yes IMO your map is correct John.
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Thanks John & Pegasus. That's a big location. Smithman wasn't going up Rua 25 de Abril so was this mobile tracking to that location? I was talking about it yesterday searching in the dark.
« Last Edit: May 30, 2014, 01:28:52 AM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Silkywhiskers

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Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #505 on: May 30, 2014, 01:30:08 AM »
Thanks John & Pegasus. That's a big location. Smithman wasn't going up Rua 25 de Abril so was this mobile tracking to that location?

Thanks for the map.  Kind of creepy to think Madeleine might be there still.  It's bigger than I imagined, too.

Offline sadie

Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #506 on: May 30, 2014, 01:40:27 AM »
Large tract of waste ground adjacent to Rua 25 de Abril which could be searched next week according to latest Press reports.
Aw John

Good try, but I find thta NOT very convincing. 

1)  That must be the main dog walking place in PdL.  Ant bodies there would soon be found because of that I would nave thought

2)  The ground cover looks a bit hard to dig with all that grass growing out of it.  A decent spade would be needed and the siol when dug would have to be placed somewhere [on the grass?].  Dont see how a man could leave a grave that didn't show in the circumstances

3)  Smithman was not walking west up Rua 25 Abril and that is the direct route to this mound.    He was walking East or mauybe south.  With South it is possible but around the detour.  What a hell of a walk !


I still think that Madeleine was taken out to sea in a boat which rendevouzed out at sea, with a bigger boat.  Maybe just over the horizon.  Starting at that little beach/ rocky cove.

icabodcrane

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Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #507 on: May 30, 2014, 02:18:09 AM »
Aw John

Good try, but I find thta NOT very convincing. 

1)  That must be the main dog walking place in PdL.  Ant bodies there would soon be found because of that I would nave thought

2)  The ground cover looks a bit hard to dig with all that grass growing out of it.  A decent spade would be needed and the siol when dug would have to be placed somewhere [on the grass?].  Dont see how a man could leave a grave that didn't show in the circumstances

3)  Smithman was not walking west up Rua 25 Abril and that is the direct route to this mound.    He was walking East or mauybe south.  With South it is possible but around the detour.  What a hell of a walk !


I still think that Madeleine was taken out to sea in a boat which rendevouzed out at sea, with a bigger boat.  Maybe just over the horizon.  Starting at that little beach/ rocky cove.

Well,  you'll concede that the Metropolitan police know rather more than you do,  won't you  ? 

... and they clearly don't think  Madeleine was taken out to sea on a boat

They wouldn't be wasting their time  digging up PDL looking for her body if they did

Offline John

Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #508 on: May 30, 2014, 02:58:47 AM »
I don't go with the boat transfer theory because it was too dangerous in the Atlantic swell that night.
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Offline pegasus

Re: Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.
« Reply #509 on: May 30, 2014, 03:28:57 AM »
If you are a perp and 9 witnesses just saw you going south (or possibly east), what do you do immediately they are gone?

Just guessing that is possibly SY's thinking?