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Offline scipio_usmc

If I were staging the scene I would not shoot her in her room.  That would be more consistent with someone going room to room killing everyone in the house.  You pick a room where some of the other victims were to make it seem she shot them and then herself.  In this instance he likely expected people to believe she shot June last and then shot herself.

Your account of things now is that she didn't intend to commit suicide only murder but after the police showed up and spooked her she decided to kill herself too.  So your theory is that she wne ton a murdering rampage nto that she decided on murder suicide.  What could account for her deciding to kill everyone at 3AM while they were sleeping?  What would set her off suddenly to murder them all?  You like to point to things she said years earlier before she was on medication about her children.  You have nothing contemporaneous that could account for her deciding to murder everyone let alone to do so despite her medication and despite being calm before everyone went to bed.

You also want to ignore that police would have heard the shots if the gun had no suppressor, there were no shots fired after police arrived all shots clearly had been fired prior.

But hey you made up your mind of what you want to believe happened regardless of the evidence.  Anything that harms your position you just claim never happened like the struggle in the kitchen, even Jeremy's lawyers admit that struggle happened but not you...

You brought up the bible but want to ignore what the bible reveals.  After Sheila was shot blood pooled on the floor.  The bible was open and one side lay in such blood pool for  period of time.  Someone picked it up and closed it so that the blood transferred to the other side creating a mirror image.  The bible was then reopened to the before the blood could dry or the pages would have been glued together.  The second shot was instantly fatal and was delivered not long after the first.  This means that after she shot herself she supposedly dropped the bible in her blood pool but then picked it up and closed it accidentally. She then reopened it because she wanted it to stay open on purpose for people to find.  She supposedly did this as she was waiting to die. This supposedly was more important than eve firing another shot since she was not dead.  This makes sense how?  If it were so important to leave the bible open she would have done it before she shot herself.  How would she know the first shot would not be fatal? SHe would have opened the bible set it down and then shot herself.  Instead the bible was opened after she was shot and after blood pooled it was placed upside down in such pool. Jeremy was having a tough time figuring out how to stage the bible that is what is demonstrated by this.

       
« Last Edit: May 08, 2014, 06:42:17 AM by John »
“...there are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, the third is useless.”  Niccolò Machiavelli

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Jeremy Bamber - A review of the evidence which convicted him.
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2014, 06:00:42 PM »
If I were staging the scene I would not shoot her in her room.  That would be more consistent with someone going room to room killing everyone in the house.  You pick a room where some of the other victims were to make it seem she shot them and then herself.  In this instance he likely expected people to believe she shot June last and then shot herself.

Your account of things now is that she didn't intend to commit suicide only murder but after the police showed up and spooked her she decided to kill herself too.  So your theory is that she wne ton a murdering rampage nto that she decided on murder suicide.  What could account for her deciding to kill everyone at 3AM while they were sleeping?  What would set her off suddenly to murder them all?  You like to point to things she said years earlier before she was on medication about her children.  You have nothing contemporaneous that could account for her deciding to murder everyone let alone to do so despite her medication and despite being calm before everyone went to bed.

You also want to ignore that police would have heard the shots if the gun had no suppressor, there were no shots fired after police arrived all shots clearly had been fired prior.

But hey you made up your mind of what you want to believe happened regardless of the evidence.  Anything that harms your position you just claim never happened like the struggle in the kitchen, even Jeremy's lawyers admit that struggle happened but not you...

You brought up the bible but want to ignore what the bible reveals.  After Sheila was shot blood pooled on the floor.  The bible was open and one side lay in such blood pool for  period of time.  Someone picked it up and closed it so that the blood transferred to the other side creating a mirror image.  The bible was then reopened to the before the blood could dry or the pages would have been glued together.  The second shot was instantly fatal and was delivered not long after the first.  This means that after she shot herself she supposedly dropped the bible in her blood pool but then picked it up and closed it accidentally. She then reopened it because she wanted it to stay open on purpose for people to find.  She supposedly did this as she was waiting to die. This supposedly was more important than eve firing another shot since she was not dead.  This makes sense how?  If it were so important to leave the bible open she would have done it before she shot herself.  How would she know the first shot would not be fatal? SHe would have opened the bible set it down and then shot herself.  Instead the bible was opened after she was shot and after blood pooled it was placed upside down in such pool. Jeremy was having a tough time figuring out how to stage the bible that is what is demonstrated by this.

       

Scipio keep your posts non-personal please. If you're going to throw insults I shall simply ignore your posts.  The choice is yours.  If you want to debate the JB case with 'Top Totty' you need to keep me sweet  8)-)))

Yes JB's defence did him no favours at all.  They accepted to readily:

1. The kitchen phone off the hook being connected to the call JB claim he received from NB.

2. The silencer being used by SC and returned to the cupboard.

3. Some sort of struggle taking place in the kitchen.

1. May be poss but BEFORE NB was shot upstairs.  2 & 3 I don't buy into at all. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.

Offline scipio_usmc

Re: Jeremy Bamber - A review of the evidence which convicted him.
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2014, 08:17:41 PM »
Scipio keep your posts non-personal please. If you're going to throw insults I shall simply ignore your posts.  The choice is yours.  If you want to debate the JB case with 'Top Totty' you need to keep me sweet  8)-)))

You already ignore all posts that you are unable to address intelligently.  For instance no response at all about the Bible though you brought it up.  So spare me the rhetoric.  I will post as I have always done, calling you out where necessary and you can continue running away becuase you have been bested and try to spin your running away as something else.

Yes JB's defence did him no favours at all.  They accepted to readily:

1. The kitchen phone off the hook being connected to the call JB claim he received from NB.

2. The silencer being used by SC and returned to the cupboard.

3. Some sort of struggle taking place in the kitchen.

1. May be poss but BEFORE NB was shot upstairs.  2 & 3 I don't buy into at all.

You are free to ignore reality all you like to arrive at your opinions.  Lawyers deal in facts and evidence.

You claim there is nothing suspicious about a perfectly good touchtone phone being unplugged, hidden and then replaced by the bedroom rotary phone.  The jury and other rational people disagree.  There was no reason to unplug the phone, hide it and replace it with a roatary dial phone other than to make sure there was no phone in the bedroom.  What witnesses could the defense have called to try to dispute the obvious?  None and that is how lawyers present evidence in a court, we interview witnesses.  So right off the bat there is evidence the murders were planned in advance contrary to Sheila suddenly going crazy while everyone was asleep.

The phone in the kitchen was definitely off the hook when police entered and the last phone call made on that phone was to Jeremy.  The telephone company had an agent testify to these points and testified it was never hung up at WHF rather the call to Goldhanger ended by the person at Goldhanger hanging up.  Who did the defense have who could contradict the telephone company employee?  No one.  You say the telephone expert was wrong.  What evidence do you have to prove him wrong though? None.  You choose not to believe the agent simply because you want Jeremy to be innocent so you close your eyes to the evidence. 

How could the defense have challenged the blood in the suppressor when their own witness found microscopic drops of blood on the first 7 baffles?  They needed an expert to testify to challenge the blood.  Their expert said he found type A blood on the 1st seven baffles.  How would microscopic traces get on these 1st seven baffles? Accidental contamination is impossible.  It had to have been sprayed there just like the spray from back spatter. They had no witness who would testify it couldn't be back spatter and had to be planted.  I have yet to see any expert come forward to explain a spray device that could have been used to replicate the pattern found.  The defense would need to produce such a witness and to establish there is a reasonable likelihood that someone obtained type A blood and used such device to insert it in the suppressor.  There is no evidence that the defense could find someone to help establish such was possible at all let alone a reasonable probability it happened.

The best they could do was argue the blood might not be Sheila's because of a chance it was a mixture of Nevill and June's blood.  The prosecution's own expert admitted such was a possibility.  The defense tried to ge thim to testify that there was a reasonable probability it was a mixture but the best they could get him to admit to was that it was a remote possibility.  That was their only real shot at diminishing the significance of the blood int he suppressor.   

You failed miserably at suggesting the blood was planted and you are not limited by the same rules of evidence that lawyers are. I completely crushed you in the debate about the blood which is why you ran away from said debate.  The fact you refuse to face facts and evidence doesn't change those facts and evidence it just makesyou look like a fool.

The evidence of a struggle in the kitchen is overwhelming.  Nevill was battered and bruised, the bruises prove the rifle was used and he has defensive wounds on his arms indicating he was still conscious and trying to defend himself.  His head was eventually bashed in though, so hard that the stock broke.  The ceiling light was broken as they wrestled over the gun and the suppressor hit the shade, various items knocked off the counter or turned over.  Also the suppressor was scratched against the mantle as the gun was wrestled over.  What evidence coudl the defense use to try to rebut this? They had no witness who was willing to deny this evidence proves there was a struggle.

You insist that there was no struggle, Nevill was unconscious and his limp body was needlessly beaten including bashing his arms.  What basis do you have for such a claim?  None and your claims make no sense.  You just insist that is the case because you want Jeremy to be innocent and during the course of such a struggle Sheila would have damage a nail at minimum if not received other injuries so you just say there was no struggle at all.

You also say that Sheila woke Nevill up and threatend him with the gun.  Instead of disarming her, he went downstairs and made a phonecall to Jeremy asking Jeremy to come disarm her.  It took Jeremy a while to get out of bed and go answer the phone which was downstairs.  Despite the length of time required just to get Jeremy to even answer, Sheila did not interfere with the call until after he already spoke to Jeremy so he had quite a bit of time to make this call and wait for Jeremy to answer and then to speak.  Why didn't Sheila just shoot him as he was dialing?  Nope nor does she shoot him as he was speaking or after he drops the phone. Shes marched him upstairs to the bedroom so she could shoot her mother and father the same time.  She makes both parents get back in bed and begins shooting them. Nevill is wounded but runs down to use the phone again but passes out.  She then beats his limp body and shoots him.

Your fairytale makes no sense and there is absolutely no evidence to support it.  You just made it up to suggest that Nevill really did make the phone call because you want to believe Jeremy is innocent.  How could the defense find someone who would testify to such a story.  They couldn't. The evidence is clear, the killer went  into the master bedroom and began shooting the parents while they were in bed, Nevill was shot 4 times but managed to get to the kitchen where the struggle over the gun took place, he was beaten, the killer regained sole control of the weapon and shot him 4 more times in the head killing him. Police did not originally know this is what happened it took a full analysis of the crime scene to determine this is how it went down and this drastically calls the claim of Nevill phoning Jeremy into question because his injuries would have precluded him from speaking and if by some miracle he could speak he would have announced he and June had been shot and needed medical attention.  This is why you make up the fairytale of Nevill making a call before she ever fired the gun but since the shooting started in the bedroom it requires a whole convoluted fairytale of him being marched back upstairs at gunpoint because this "crazy" person decided to wait and shoot him in the bedroom instead of while he was calling for help. It makes no sense and what would June be doing still in bed knowing what was going on? 
   
You also keep ignoring that the killer used additional bullets than those left in the kitchen and might not have used the box left in the kitchen at all.  If Jeremy is telling the truth that the box was either full or only missing 1-3 rounds that means the killer used 5-8 additional rounds secured from the gun closet.  If he is lying and the box always had 30 rounds then all 25 rounds came from the closet.

Why would Sheila use 17-20 rounds from the box in the kitchen but go to the closet to get 5-8 more rounds?  The box still had 30 rounds why would she go get 5-8 from the closet instead of taking all 25 rounds needed from the box?

You ignore all these things and just make up anything you feel like.  Lawyers go by facts and evidence they don't have the luxury of making up anything they feel like and testifying themselves to a jury declaring their wild tales as fact. 
 
On TV they show lawyers making statements as they question witnesses.  In real life you have to ask questions you can't make statements and if a witness doesn't answer to your liking you have to try to remedy that with additional witnesses of your own to contradict them.

You fault Rivlin for being confined to the rules of evidence and facts of the case.  You wanted him to make up things the way you do but he would have little basis to do so and no means to get such before a jury.  The prosecution would rip such nonsense apart anyway even if a defense expert claimed it were possible.




« Last Edit: May 06, 2014, 07:47:38 PM by scipio_usmc »
“...there are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, the third is useless.”  Niccolò Machiavelli

Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: Jeremy Bamber - A review of the evidence which convicted him.
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2020, 06:05:47 AM »
If I were staging the scene I would not shoot her in her room.  That would be more consistent with someone going room to room killing everyone in the house.  You pick a room where some of the other victims were to make it seem she shot them and then herself.  In this instance he likely expected people to believe she shot June last and then shot herself.

Your account of things now is that she didn't intend to commit suicide only murder but after the police showed up and spooked her she decided to kill herself too.  So your theory is that she wne ton a murdering rampage nto that she decided on murder suicide.  What could account for her deciding to kill everyone at 3AM while they were sleeping?  What would set her off suddenly to murder them all?  You like to point to things she said years earlier before she was on medication about her children.  You have nothing contemporaneous that could account for her deciding to murder everyone let alone to do so despite her medication and despite being calm before everyone went to bed.

You also want to ignore that police would have heard the shots if the gun had no suppressor, there were no shots fired after police arrived all shots clearly had been fired prior.

But hey you made up your mind of what you want to believe happened regardless of the evidence.  Anything that harms your position you just claim never happened like the struggle in the kitchen, even Jeremy's lawyers admit that struggle happened but not you...

You brought up the bible but want to ignore what the bible reveals.  After Sheila was shot blood pooled on the floor.  The bible was open and one side lay in such blood pool for  period of time.  Someone picked it up and closed it so that the blood transferred to the other side creating a mirror image.  The bible was then reopened to the before the blood could dry or the pages would have been glued together.  The second shot was instantly fatal and was delivered not long after the first.  This means that after she shot herself she supposedly dropped the bible in her blood pool but then picked it up and closed it accidentally. She then reopened it because she wanted it to stay open on purpose for people to find.  She supposedly did this as she was waiting to die. This supposedly was more important than eve firing another shot since she was not dead.  This makes sense how?  If it were so important to leave the bible open she would have done it before she shot herself.  How would she know the first shot would not be fatal? SHe would have opened the bible set it down and then shot herself.  Instead the bible was opened after she was shot and after blood pooled it was placed upside down in such pool. Jeremy was having a tough time figuring out how to stage the bible that is what is demonstrated by this.

       



I think Scorpio makes an excellent point about The Bible.

Indeed, having read some of his posts from way back, all his points are spot on perfect. But he is a lawyer, and a trained marksman, so has an advantage...coupled with him being highly intelligent and logical.

Back to The Bible:


Why wouldn’t Sheila have opened it first and started reading it BEFORE she shot herself?

Why would she shoot herself first, thinking she’d die immediately? You can’t read when you’re dead.
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Jeremy Bamber - A review of the evidence which convicted him.
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2020, 08:17:50 AM »


I think Scorpio makes an excellent point about The Bible.

Indeed, having read some of his posts from way back, all his points are spot on perfect. But he is a lawyer, and a trained marksman, so has an advantage...coupled with him being highly intelligent and logical.

Back to The Bible:


Why wouldn’t Sheila have opened it first and started reading it BEFORE she shot herself?

Why would she shoot herself first, thinking she’d die immediately? You can’t read when you’re dead.

There's no evidence SC or JB ever handled that particular bible. 

When asked about the bible during his police interviews he said he may have picked it up on occasion to hit the dog with.

Although the bible was referred to at trial, not sure if it was a physical exhibit, unlike other blood stained exhibits it doesn't appear that any blood grouping results were made known.  A small amount of blood was found on wallpaper in the hall, when tested it revealed 'O' suggesting it originated from NB so I've no idea why we don't know about the blood staining to the pages of the bible.

Only June's fingerprints were identified:

52. The Bible found by Sheila Caffell's body, belonged to her mother and was normally kept in a cupboard to the right of her bed. It was examined for fingerprints. Many belonged to June Bamber and there were a small number of insufficient detail for comparison, save for one which appeared to have been made by a small child.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Jeremy Bamber - A review of the evidence which convicted him.
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2020, 08:34:27 AM »
The Dickinson report acknowledged the police may have inadvertently moved the bible when opening the door to the box room.  The large stain on the pages of the open bible doesn't correspond with the large stain on the carpet.

Did the police make known this fact to JB's defence pre-trial?
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.

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Re: Jeremy Bamber - A review of the evidence which convicted him.
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2020, 08:45:49 AM »
Where can I read the "Dickinson report"?
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Jeremy Bamber - A review of the evidence which convicted him.
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2020, 09:11:31 AM »
Where can I read the "Dickinson report"?

Blue forum.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.

Offline adam

Re: Jeremy Bamber - A review of the evidence which convicted him.
« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2020, 09:34:19 AM »
Here is a list of some of the forensic evidence. Which has been previously posted. Sources in capitals.

Disputed/Not disputed is referring to the CT -


1.

Perfectly clean palm of hands on Sheila - Not disputed - COA


2.

One blood mark on back of hand of Sheila - Not disputed - COA


3.

Extremley low levels of lead found on hands on Sheila.  Not consistent with handling a rifle. Significantly higher traces expected - Not disputed - COA, BAMBER'S DEFENCE.


4.

Well manicured nails on Sheila - Not disputed - COA.


5.

No broken nails - Not disputed COA.


6.

Nails in tact - Not disputed - COA.


7.

No marks or indentations on Sheila's fingers - Not disputed - COA.


8.

No blood on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.


9.

No dirt on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.


10.

No powder on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.


11.

Sheila's time limits - Not disputed - POLICE, BAMBER, JUDGE.


12.

No trace of any lead dust coating on Sheila - Not disputed - COA.


13.

No traces of the lubricant from re loading twice - Not disputed - COA


14.

Very clean feet - Disputed with one picture of foot with redness - COA.


15.

Feet free from significant blood staining - Disputed with one picture of foot with redness - COA.


16.

Bamber doing nothing between 3.10am - 3.26/36am - Not disputed - COA, BAMBER.


17.

No debris such as sugar on feet - Not disputed - COA.


18.

No foot injuries after bare footed aggressive movement around big house & brutal fight - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS, PATHOLOGIST, COA.


19.

Only Sheila Caffell's blood on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.


20.

No presence of firearm residue on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.


21.

No trace of rifle oil on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.


22.

No mention of nightdress damage from agressive movement and brutal kitchen fight - Not disputed - COA.


23.

No facial injuries on Sheila - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS, PATHOLOGIST, COA.


24.

Sheila avoiding kitchen fight injuries with no body or face protection - Not disputed - COA.


25.

Nevill's massive height/weight advantage over Sheila - Not disputed - COA.


26.

Impossibility of shower removing evidence off Sheila - Not disputed - COA.


27.

Impossibility of Sheila showering after killing herself - Not disputed - SCIENTIFIC FACT.


28.

Nevill being found bare footed in pyjamas suggesting had just got out of bed - Not disputed - COA.


29.

Sheila being found bare footed in pyjamas suggesting she had just got out of bed - Not disputed - COA.


30.

Paint in silencer - Not disputed but suggestion from Bamber cousins did this - COA.


31.

Aga scratch's - Not disputed but suggestion from Bamber cousins did this - COA. 


32.

Sheila's blood in silencer - Not disputed but suggestion from Bamber cousins did this - COA.


33.

No blood in the rifle end - Not disputed - COA. 


34.

Sheila's legs pulled after second shot - Not disputed - COA.


35.

Blood underneath the bible - Not disputed - COA.


36.

A lot of blood on Nevill's side of the bed - Not disputed - COA.


37.

Large scale multiple mental & physical effects of Haloperidol - Not disputed. - INTERNET ARTICLES, YOUTUBE, COA.


38.

Sheila having Haloperidol in her body - Not disputed - COA.


39.

Sheila's condition hours before the massacre - Not disputed. Bamber being a main witness - BAMBER & OTHER PEOPLE, COA.


40.

Sheila under sedation - Not disputed - COA.


41.

Easy window entrance into WHF - Not disputed. Agreed by Bamber. - BAMBER, COA.


42.

Shutting kitchen window from outside - Disputed in 2017 but 20 independent sources prove otherwise - COA.


43.

No better massacre weapon options for Bamber - Not disputed - FORUM.


44.

Professor Herbert Leon Mcdonell - Not disputed after Bamber hired him - WILKES'S BOOK.


45.

Easy bike routes to WHF - Not disputed - COA.


46.

Bike brought to Bamber's cottage just before the massacre - Not disputed - BAMBERS POLICE INTERVIEWS, COA.


47.

June not waking or getting woken by Nevill - Not disputed - COA.


48.

Nevill's back burns - Not disputed. Suggestion burns were caused minus silencer rejected - BAMBER, TONIGHT PROGRAMME, COA.


49.

2012 CCRC court judgement - judicial review request made & rejected - JUDICIAL REVIEW DOCUMENT.


50.

The twins not waking - Not disputed - COA. 


51.

Bamber's call to the police - Not disputed - COA. 


52.

Nevill's horrific injuries - Not disputed - COA.


53.

Sheila's time limits - Not disputed - POLICE STATEMENTS.


54.

No valid Sheila scenario - Not disputed - OS & FORUM.


55.

Bamber's 3am call to Julie - Not disputed - COA. 


56.

Nevill's 2/4 second call to Bamber - Not disputed - BAMBER, COA.


57.

Bamber asking the police to pick him up - Not disputed - WILKES, CRIMES, HEARTS & CORONETS.


58.

Nevill's back burns - Not disputed - COA. 


59.

Ease for a man to lift & carry a woman - Not disputed. YOUTUBE VIDEO.


60.

Crime scenes of 5 individuals - Not disputed - COA. 


61.

Bamber's found hacksaw - Not disputed - COA.


62.

Bible on Sheila's arm- Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS.


63.

Only execution period available to Bamber, 12am - 3am - Not disputed - BAMBER


64.

Housekeeper evidence of items around the kitchen sink being moved on massacre night - Not disputed- PB WS, WILKES'S BOOK


65.

Only Sheila receiving a contact shot in a location that produces back splatter- Not disputed, COA.


66.

Bloodied plam print on Sheila's nightdress - Not disputed. COA.


67.

Nevill being lifted onto a coal scuttle - Not disputed. CRIME SCENE PICTURES, COA.


68.

Dried blood on Sheila - Not Disputed. PATHOLOGIST.


69.

Sheila having to load prior to first shots - Not disputed. COA


70.

Blood in silencer being Sheila's with remote possibility of being a mixture of June and Nevill's. Meaning the silencer was used. Not disputed. COA.


71:

Nevill having the oppportunity to restrain Sheila while fully fit prior to her firing shots. Not disputed. AGREED BY ALL PARTIES.
« Last Edit: June 29, 2020, 10:06:46 AM by adam »

Offline adam

Re: Jeremy Bamber - A review of the evidence which convicted him.
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2020, 09:41:32 AM »
I have just added a 71.

Obviously there is only one alive suspect with motives, an opportunity and no alibi. Together with a big witness - Julie Mugford. This together with the impossibility it was Sheila, means it is a watertight conviction.
« Last Edit: June 29, 2020, 10:07:25 AM by adam »

Offline adam

Re: Jeremy Bamber - A review of the evidence which convicted him.
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2020, 09:55:55 AM »
Any law students wanting a definition of 'watertight conviction' should be referred to the Bamber case.

He's spent 34 years trying to overturn it.

Offline adam

Re: Jeremy Bamber - A review of the evidence which convicted him.
« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2020, 10:17:43 AM »
124. 

During this conversation the appellant said he saw rabbits outside the house so he took the .22 rifle from the office/den, loaded it with eight to ten rounds from a box of ammunition that he left in the kitchen and went outside. 

In fact he fired no shots outside and he then left the gun in the kitchen having removed the magazine and the bullet which was in the breach. COA

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Sheila would have had to prepare the rifle 3 times. Although the first time it would just be to put the loaded magazine into the rifle downstairs. Prior to opening fire upstairs.

Offline adam

Re: Jeremy Bamber - A review of the evidence which convicted him.
« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2020, 10:43:48 AM »
Appreciate the CT will focus on the silencer. As they can insinuate either the relatives or police.

Things released to the media are to create publicity. Such as Nevill called Chelmsford police & Sheila put a suicide note in the bible.

The claim that documents are being withheld will always be made. Regardless of whether correct or not.

Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: Jeremy Bamber - A review of the evidence which convicted him.
« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2020, 01:30:02 PM »
There's no evidence SC or JB ever handled that particular bible. 

When asked about the bible during his police interviews he said he may have picked it up on occasion to hit the dog with.

Although the bible was referred to at trial, not sure if it was a physical exhibit, unlike other blood stained exhibits it doesn't appear that any blood grouping results were made known.  A small amount of blood was found on wallpaper in the hall, when tested it revealed 'O' suggesting it originated from NB so I've no idea why we don't know about the blood staining to the pages of the bible.

Only June's fingerprints were identified:

52. The Bible found by Sheila Caffell's body, belonged to her mother and was normally kept in a cupboard to the right of her bed. It was examined for fingerprints. Many belonged to June Bamber and there were a small number of insufficient detail for comparison, save for one which appeared to have been made by a small child.


Aah, so is it possible that when Jeremy was on his rampage Crispy started barking at him, and he threw The Bible across the room at him and it just happened to fall onto the pool of blood that had pumped out of Sheila’s neck? 8**8:/:
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: Jeremy Bamber - A review of the evidence which convicted him.
« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2020, 01:31:38 PM »
Here is a list of some of the forensic evidence. Which has been previously posted. Sources in capitals.

Disputed/Not disputed is referring to the CT -


1.

Perfectly clean palm of hands on Sheila - Not disputed - COA


2.

One blood mark on back of hand of Sheila - Not disputed - COA


3.

Extremley low levels of lead found on hands on Sheila.  Not consistent with handling a rifle. Significantly higher traces expected - Not disputed - COA, BAMBER'S DEFENCE.


4.

Well manicured nails on Sheila - Not disputed - COA.


5.

No broken nails - Not disputed COA.


6.

Nails in tact - Not disputed - COA.


7.

No marks or indentations on Sheila's fingers - Not disputed - COA.


8.

No blood on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.


9.

No dirt on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.


10.

No powder on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.


11.

Sheila's time limits - Not disputed - POLICE, BAMBER, JUDGE.


12.

No trace of any lead dust coating on Sheila - Not disputed - COA.


13.

No traces of the lubricant from re loading twice - Not disputed - COA


14.

Very clean feet - Disputed with one picture of foot with redness - COA.


15.

Feet free from significant blood staining - Disputed with one picture of foot with redness - COA.


16.

Bamber doing nothing between 3.10am - 3.26/36am - Not disputed - COA, BAMBER.


17.

No debris such as sugar on feet - Not disputed - COA.


18.

No foot injuries after bare footed aggressive movement around big house & brutal fight - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS, PATHOLOGIST, COA.


19.

Only Sheila Caffell's blood on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.


20.

No presence of firearm residue on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.


21.

No trace of rifle oil on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.


22.

No mention of nightdress damage from agressive movement and brutal kitchen fight - Not disputed - COA.


23.

No facial injuries on Sheila - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS, PATHOLOGIST, COA.


24.

Sheila avoiding kitchen fight injuries with no body or face protection - Not disputed - COA.


25.

Nevill's massive height/weight advantage over Sheila - Not disputed - COA.


26.

Impossibility of shower removing evidence off Sheila - Not disputed - COA.


27.

Impossibility of Sheila showering after killing herself - Not disputed - SCIENTIFIC FACT.


28.

Nevill being found bare footed in pyjamas suggesting had just got out of bed - Not disputed - COA.


29.

Sheila being found bare footed in pyjamas suggesting she had just got out of bed - Not disputed - COA.


30.

Paint in silencer - Not disputed but suggestion from Bamber cousins did this - COA.


31.

Aga scratch's - Not disputed but suggestion from Bamber cousins did this - COA. 


32.

Sheila's blood in silencer - Not disputed but suggestion from Bamber cousins did this - COA.


33.

No blood in the rifle end - Not disputed - COA. 


34.

Sheila's legs pulled after second shot - Not disputed - COA.


35.

Blood underneath the bible - Not disputed - COA.


36.

A lot of blood on Nevill's side of the bed - Not disputed - COA.


37.

Large scale multiple mental & physical effects of Haloperidol - Not disputed. - INTERNET ARTICLES, YOUTUBE, COA.


38.

Sheila having Haloperidol in her body - Not disputed - COA.


39.

Sheila's condition hours before the massacre - Not disputed. Bamber being a main witness - BAMBER & OTHER PEOPLE, COA.


40.

Sheila under sedation - Not disputed - COA.


41.

Easy window entrance into WHF - Not disputed. Agreed by Bamber. - BAMBER, COA.


42.

Shutting kitchen window from outside - Disputed in 2017 but 20 independent sources prove otherwise - COA.


43.

No better massacre weapon options for Bamber - Not disputed - FORUM.


44.

Professor Herbert Leon Mcdonell - Not disputed after Bamber hired him - WILKES'S BOOK.


45.

Easy bike routes to WHF - Not disputed - COA.


46.

Bike brought to Bamber's cottage just before the massacre - Not disputed - BAMBERS POLICE INTERVIEWS, COA.


47.

June not waking or getting woken by Nevill - Not disputed - COA.


48.

Nevill's back burns - Not disputed. Suggestion burns were caused minus silencer rejected - BAMBER, TONIGHT PROGRAMME, COA.


49.

2012 CCRC court judgement - judicial review request made & rejected - JUDICIAL REVIEW DOCUMENT.


50.

The twins not waking - Not disputed - COA. 


51.

Bamber's call to the police - Not disputed - COA. 


52.

Nevill's horrific injuries - Not disputed - COA.


53.

Sheila's time limits - Not disputed - POLICE STATEMENTS.


54.

No valid Sheila scenario - Not disputed - OS & FORUM.


55.

Bamber's 3am call to Julie - Not disputed - COA. 


56.

Nevill's 2/4 second call to Bamber - Not disputed - BAMBER, COA.


57.

Bamber asking the police to pick him up - Not disputed - WILKES, CRIMES, HEARTS & CORONETS.


58.

Nevill's back burns - Not disputed - COA. 


59.

Ease for a man to lift & carry a woman - Not disputed. YOUTUBE VIDEO.


60.

Crime scenes of 5 individuals - Not disputed - COA. 


61.

Bamber's found hacksaw - Not disputed - COA.


62.

Bible on Sheila's arm- Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS.


63.

Only execution period available to Bamber, 12am - 3am - Not disputed - BAMBER


64.

Housekeeper evidence of items around the kitchen sink being moved on massacre night - Not disputed- PB WS, WILKES'S BOOK


65.

Only Sheila receiving a contact shot in a location that produces back splatter- Not disputed, COA.


66.

Bloodied plam print on Sheila's nightdress - Not disputed. COA.


67.

Nevill being lifted onto a coal scuttle - Not disputed. CRIME SCENE PICTURES, COA.


68.

Dried blood on Sheila - Not Disputed. PATHOLOGIST.


69.

Sheila having to load prior to first shots - Not disputed. COA


70.

Blood in silencer being Sheila's with remote possibility of being a mixture of June and Nevill's. Meaning the silencer was used. Not disputed. COA.


71:

Nevill having the oppportunity to restrain Sheila while fully fit prior to her firing shots. Not disputed. AGREED BY ALL PARTIES.




Great post, Adam! 8@??)(
Seeking Justice for June & Nevill Bamber, Sheila Caffell & her two six-year-old twin boys who were shot dead in their heads by Psychopath, JEREMY BAMBER who must NEVER be released.