Could a child really be buried so quickly and never be found?

[Albertini]

I don't believe she has been buried.

So what do you think SY are digging for?

[Alfred R Jones]

You're still not getting it. The abductor could only have done it after he'd taken Madeleine (after 9:30 according to Redwood) and before the alarm were raised by Kate at 10:00 pm. That's 20-30 minutes to get the child out do whatever find a burial site, dig a hole at least a metre long and 3 foot deep and then refill that hole. Anytime after that and there were people out looking for Maddie and the police were on their way

Then after the police and worlds media were swarming over the place it would have been impossible not to mention none sensual to believe that an abductor would then drive back to PDL avoiding the cameras and police and then start digging a hole and burying a child.

And yet in your view easy-peasy for someone finding themself suddenly with a dead child on their hands to slip off in the dusk or even before dark, find a shovel and a suitable location to dig a hole, bury a child and get back to dinner and some amiable banter - yes clearly your scenario is fully plausible.  So who was the guy the Smiths saw then?


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[Silkywhiskers]

And yet in your view easy-peasy for someone finding themself suddenly with a dead child on their hands to slip off in the dusk or even before dark, find a shovel and a suitable location to dig a hole, bury a child and get back to dinner and some amiable banter - yes clearly your scenario is fully plausible.  So who was the guy the Smiths saw then?


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On his way to his *possibly pre-dug* burial spot.

You know if Madeleine died earlier than they all say, that he could have easily dug up a grave unseen BEFORE raising the alarm.


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[Alfred R Jones]

On his way to his *possibly pre-dug* burial spot.

You know if Madeleine died earlier than they all say, that he could have easily dug up a grave unseen BEFORE raising the alarm.

You think someone buried her before 10pm as Albertini has said, then changed his mind, dug her up and took her to another hole he'd prepared earlier?


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[VIXTE]

So what do you think SY are digging for?

IMO this is to make certain people nervous.

Plus, if I am wrong and she is buried, who is to say she was buried there the same night. It could have been a month later! ;)

[Albertini]

You think someone buried her before 10pm as Albertini has said, then changed his mind, dug her up and took her to another hole he'd prepared earlier?


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But yet those are the only two scenarios aren't they for digging looking for a body. And I've just explained why it's impossible for an abductor to have done it, so that leaves only one option doesn't it?

I don't really want to quote the famous Sherlock Holmes quote but it does apply here.

Now you tell me how an abductor could have done it in 20-30 minutes and when he didn't know whether he'd be found out in 20 or 5 minutes.

Present a theory which fits in with an abduction against the known fact that the Yard want to dig for a body.

[Albertini]

IMO this is to make certain people nervous.

Plus, if I am wrong and she is buried, who is to say she was buried there the same night. It could have been a month later! ;)

Which people? And do you think that the Pj would agree to to their down being dug up as a bluff when they wouldn't allow the yard to question the burglars?

Nope not possible a month later he Pj and the worlds press were all still there. Why would an abductor go back and take that risk?

[VIXTE]

Which people? And do you think that the Pj would agree to to their down being dug up as a bluff when they wouldn't allow the yard to question the burglars?

Nope not possible a month later he Pj and the worlds press were all still there. Why would an abductor go back and take that risk?

Because it is easier to dig in the middle of night a month later than this particular night?

[Cariad]

Again why dispose of the body so near to the scene, when the parents could have been alerted and started looking for the child within minutes?

Anyone in that scenario would have got the hell out of PDL as quickly as possible and disposed of the body as far away from the scene of the crime and not hung around waiting to be caught shovel in hand!

Searching for a body in a PDL grave is proof positive that the real investigation is not looking for an abductor because there is no viable scenario where an abductor would have buried the child so near to the scene.

I disagree. I think anyone in that scenario would've left the body. Taking the body makes no sense at all if you're not known to the victim.

No one kidnaps a corpse.

[Albertini]

Because it is easier to dig in the middle of night a month later than this particular night?

What in PDL?? Where the PJ were still running the biggest investigation they have ever run? When an abductor could have dumped the body unseen anywhere in the whole of Portugal??


Does that make any sense to you.

Unless you're going to try and argue an abductor would take such a risk to pin it on the McCanns? 

[Alfred R Jones]

But yet those are the only two scenarios aren't they for digging looking for a body. And I've just explained why it's impossible for an abductor to have done it, so that leaves only one option doesn't it?

I don't really want to quote the famous Sherlock Holmes quote but it does apply here.

Now you tell me how an abductor could have done it in 20-30 minutes and when he didn't know whether he'd be found out in 20 or 5 minutes.

Present a theory which fits in with an abduction against the known fact that the Yard want to dig for a body.

I have no idea what SY think they are going to find in that wasteland area but my view is that it's unlikely she will be found there.  Elsewhere in PdL possibly.  But consider this: just as doubters have no problem whatsoever imagining someone digging up a child's rotten corpse weeks later and putting it in the boot of a car and taking it for a spin, likewise I think its perfectly credible that an abductor living in or near PdL  could keep a child in captivity for days, weeks or months, or retain her body within the environs of their home and then re-bury it an an opportune moment. 


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[Albertini]

I disagree. I think anyone in that scenario would've left the body. Taking the body makes no sense at all if you're not known to the victim.

No one kidnaps a corpse.

Guess it depends on whether you think leaving a corpse leads the police to you with the evidence you've left for the coppers to find on the body.

[Silkywhiskers]

I disagree. I think anyone in that scenario would've left the body. Taking the body makes no sense at all if you're not known to the victim.

No one kidnaps a corpse.

Precisely.

To me, it is 1 + 1 =2.

If the child was buried so close, it means she did not leave PDL alive.  Which in turn means the cadaver alerts in 5a and MOST IMPORTANTLY the Renault, are now officially assumed to be accurate.

The fact that SY have now come to the exact same conclusions after an in depth investigation running nearly 4 years, tells me that THIS is what happened.

They have the who, they probably have the why.  Now they are piecing together the HOW.

Truth will out.



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[Alfred R Jones]

How did anyone "pre-dig" the grave and when in your view?



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[pinkblossoms]

What in PDL?? Where the PJ were still running the biggest investigation they have ever run? When an abductor could have dumped the body unseen anywhere in the whole of Portugal??


Does that make any sense to you.

Unless you're going to try and argue an abductor would take such a risk to pin it on the McCanns?

You are contradicting your own theory,do you not realise what you are saying