Could a child really be buried so quickly and never be found?

[Albertini]

The point is that if Madeleine is buried in one of the sites which are allegedly  to be dug up it would be physically impossible for an abductor to have done that.

If we believe or don't believe that Oldfield saw Madeleine at 9:30 we have a window for an abductor to have taken Madeleine between, at the very longest, Gerry leaving the apartment at 9:10-9:15 and Kate discovering Maddie missing at 10:00.

Now leaving to one side for a minute SY's assertion that the "abduction" happened nearer to 10:00pm then we have a scenario where if there is to be an abductor, he has taken the child then found and dug a burial site near to where she was taken all before Maddie was discovered missing? In what 30 minutes?

Do you know how long it takes to dig a grave? and why so near to where her parents would be looking for as soon as they discovered her missing?

Does that sound plausible to anyone with a modicum of intelligence?

Because one thing is certain. After the alarm was raised and after the world's media were alerted and arrived en masse it would have been an impossibility for an abductor to rock back up to PDL and dispose of a child so near to 5A without being seen or noticed.

[VIXTE]

The point is that if Madeleine is buried in one of the sites which are allegedly  to be dug up it would be physically impossible for an abductor to have done that.

If we believe or don't believe that Oldfield saw Madeleine at 9:30 we have a window for an abductor to have taken Madeleine between, at the very longest, Gerry leaving the apartment at 9:10-9:15 and Kate discovering Maddie missing at 10:00.

Now leaving to one side for a minute SY's assertion that the "abduction" happened nearer to 10:00pm then we have a scenario where if there is to be an abductor, he has taken the child then found and dug a burial site near to where she was taken all before Maddie was discovered missing? In what 30 minutes?

Do you know how long it takes to dig a grave? and why so near to where her parents would be looking for as soon as they discovered her missing?

Does that sound plausible to anyone with a modicum of intelligence?

Because one thing is certain. After the alarm was raised and after the world's media were alerted and arrived en masse it would have been an impossibility for an abductor to rock back up to PDL and dispose of a child so near to 5A without being seen or noticed.

One of our theories was that the person was in the apartment all the time and that he accidentally killed Madeleine at the Oldfield's visit point, by trying to make her quiet and then he took her body out to hide his steps.
IMO if she was buried she would have been found long ago..

[Albertini]

One of our theories was that the person was in the apartment all the time and that he accidentally killed Madeleine at the Oldfield's visit point, by trying to make her quiet and then he took her body out to hide his steps.
IMO if she was buried she would have been found long ago..

Again why dispose of the body so near to the scene, when the parents could have been alerted and started looking for the child within minutes?

Anyone in that scenario would have got the hell out of PDL as quickly as possible and disposed of the body as far away from the scene of the crime and not hung around waiting to be caught shovel in hand!

Searching for a body in a PDL grave is proof positive that the real investigation is not looking for an abductor because there is no viable scenario where an abductor would have buried the child so near to the scene.

[Silkywhiskers]

One of our theories was that the person was in the apartment all the time and that he accidentally killed Madeleine at the Oldfield's visit point, by trying to make her quiet and then he took her body out to hide his steps.
IMO if she was buried she would have been found long ago..

The problem with this theory is - cadaver scent.

It takes a while to develop, hours not minutes.

The dogs detected cadaver in 5a, which now appears to be CORRECT as they're digging for a body, therefore Madeleine MUST have been dead already when Gerry performed his 9.15 check.

[Alfred R Jones]

Good grief, talk about missing the point.

The point is that if Madeleine is buried in one of the sites which are allegedly  to be dug up it would be physically impossible for an abductor to have done that.

If we believe or don't believe that Oldfield saw Madeleine at 9:30 we have a window for an abductor to have taken Madeleine between, at the very longest, Gerry leaving the apartment at 9:10-9:15 and Kate discovering Maddie missing at 10:00.

Now leaving to one side for a minute SY's assertion that the "abduction" happened nearer to 10:00pm then we have a scenario where if there is to be an abductor, he has taken the child then found and dug a burial site near to where she was taken all before Maddie was discovered missing? In what 30 minutes?

Do you know how long it takes to dig a grave? and why so near to where her parents would be looking for as soon as they discovered her missing?

Does that sound plausible to anyone with a modicum of intelligence?

Because one thing is certain. After the alarm was raised and after the world's media were alerted and arrived en masse it would have been an impossibility for an abductor to rock back up to PDL and dispose of a child so near to 5A without being seen or noticed.

Why impossible for an abductor, but not impossible for Gerry McCann?

[VIXTE]

The problem with this theory is - cadaver scent.

It takes a while to develop, hours not minutes.

The dogs detected cadaver in 5a, which now appears to be CORRECT as they're digging for a body, therefore Madeleine MUST have been dead already when Gerry performed his 9.15 check.

I don't believe cadaver scent was found in 5A.

IMO they are searching for nothing. She is still alive.

[Silkywhiskers]

I don't believe cadaver scent was found in 5A.

IMO they are searching for nothing. She is still alive.

This is the ONLY case I can remember apart from Jonbenet, where the work of several police forces has been summarily dismissed because it doesn't "fit" with the innocence of the parents.

[Albertini]

Why impossible for an abductor, but not impossible for Gerry McCann?

Maybe because [name removed] to use your example could have done it at any time before the alarm was raised at 10:00 on the 3rd May.

An abductor only had the few minutes between oldfields check and Kate raising the alarm to do so.

Can you present the forum with a coherent and sensible scenario how and why an abductor could do it in a maximum of 30 minutes and why he would take such a risk?

I'm all ears.

[VIXTE]

Maybe because [name removed] to use your example could have done it at any time before the alarm was raised at 10:00 on the 3rd May.

An abductor only had the few minutes between oldfields check and Kate raising the alarm to do so.

Can you present the forum with a coherent and sensible scenario how and why an abductor could do it in a maximum of 30 minutes and why he would take such a risk?

I'm all ears.

It takes less than 3 minutes to take her out.

[Albertini]

It takes less than 3 minutes to take her out.

And to find a site dig a hole and then refill it?

All within the same small resort you've just taken her from?

[Alfred R Jones]

Maybe because [name removed] to use your example could have done it at any time before the alarm was raised at 10:00 on the 3rd May.

An abductor only had the few minutes between oldfields check and Kate raising the alarm to do so.

Can you present the forum with a coherent and sensible scenario how and why an abductor could do it in a maximum of 30 minutes and why he would take such a risk?

I'm all ears.

Perhaps you could explain how anyone could have dug a grave ( something which takes a fair amount of time and usually requires a shovel)?  And when? 
Why also do you assume an abductor would immediately abuse and kill and dispose of the body all within a few minutes?

[VIXTE]

And to find a site dig a hole and then refill it?

All within the same small resort you've just taken her from?

I don't believe she has been buried.

[Alfred R Jones]

Maybe because [name removed] to use your example could have done it at any time before the alarm was raised at 10:00 on the 3rd May.

An abductor only had the few minutes between oldfields check and Kate raising the alarm to do so.

Can you present the forum with a coherent and sensible scenario how and why an abductor could do it in a maximum of 30 minutes and why he would take such a risk?

I'm all ears.

I take it from your comment you don't believe Smithman was Gerry then btw...?

[Silkywhiskers]

I don't believe she has been buried.

Do you realise how your "beliefs" sound?

Like brainwashing.

Like it or not, SY apparently "believes" she died in the resort, which is why they are looking for burial sites.

Which in turn tends to support the work of Eddie and Grime.

Which in turn means that Madeleine HAD TO BE ALREADY DECEASED.

Which in turn means that the person carrying the child thought to be Madeleine alongside that vacant land, takes on a whole new importance.

Which you don't "believe". 

BTW.....photos of a Portuguese helicopter doing some low flying stunts across PDL are just that - staged photo op for the media.

They have ALREADY gone across with radar, which is why they know where to dig.



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[Albertini]

Perhaps you could explain how anyone could have dug a grave ( something which takes a fair amount of time and usually requires a shovel)?  And when? 
Why also do you assume an abductor would immediately abuse and kill and dispose of the body all within a few minutes?

You're still not getting it. The abductor could only have done it after he'd taken Madeleine (after 9:30 according to Redwood) and before the alarm were raised by Kate at 10:00 pm. That's 20-30 minutes to get the child out do whatever find a burial site, dig a hole at least a metre long and 3 foot deep and then refill that hole. Anytime after that and there were people out looking for Maddie and the police were on their way

Then after the police and worlds media were swarming over the place it would have been impossible not to mention none sensual to believe that an abductor would then drive back to PDL avoiding the cameras and police and then start digging a hole and burying a child.