Could a child really be buried so quickly and never be found?

[Alfred R Jones]

Well you think that my dear if it helps you sleep tonight but it doesn't make you right.

I'd love to hear your take on who buried it there and how they did it given the parameters I have outlined about an abductor and the time constraints between the child being taken and the alert that Maddie was missing.

You seem very certain that Madeleine is buried in that patch of waste ground.  Aren't you jumping the gun a bit?

[Alfred R Jones]

Oh so you know more than the Yard & the PJ?

Have you informed them that they are wrong to be searching there?

What evidence have you got that they are digging in the wrong place?

None whatsoever - it's my personal opinion which I doubt that SY would be interested in.  I don't think they are wrong to be searching there anyway.  That area should have been searched thoroughly right at the start.  I can't believe it wasn't!

[Albertini]

do you have a shovel handy if so keep digging your hole 

My what tremendous substance you have added to a discussion forum thread.

You're dying to spit it out. Go ahead full your boots!

[Alfred R Jones]

These sorts of posts   (  and you make them relentlessly  )  are without substance

You persist with the insupportable suggestion that unless a precise and detailed explanation for the McCanns possible involvement in their daughter's disappearance is forthcoming then we are,  somehow,  obliged to accept their version of events without question

That is non sequitur  ...  the logic does not follow

It is perfectly reasonable to question that which is questionable without having an  'alternative'  explanation to offer

Speaking for myself,  I have no idea what happened to that little girl  ...   but I certainly don't feel that  because I don't know what happened to her I  must, necessarily,  believe what her parents say  happened to her

I look at it from the point of view of common sense.  Did [name removed] have the physical means and opportunity to dispose of a child's body between 7.00pm and 10.00pm?   Why do you dislike me raising these discussions so much?  Why do you refuse to think things through logically, preferring instead to nurture your vague doubts?

[icabodcrane]

I look at it from the point of view of common sense.  Did [name removed] have the physical means and opportunity to dispose of a child's body between 7.00pm and 10.00pm?   Why do you dislike me raising these discussions so much?  Why do you refuse to think things through logically, preferring instead to nurture your vague doubts?

You are not  'raising'  discussion   ...  you are shutting it down

Members post reasonable questions and instead of addressing them  you post  'counter questions'  as a diversion

It' is a common propaganda ploy

[sadie]

I thought I made it clear that I doubted she was buried in that patch of wasteland, did you miss that bit?

The bit we saw, the ground was baked too hard.

[icabodcrane]

I think Amarals whole story was just that .... a story, with very little supporting evidence, if any at all.  At best, I think he misunderstood the dogs alerts.

Well Scotland Yard are bringing in the earth diggers to look for a body now  ...  so I guess they've  'misunderstood'  the cadaver dog's alerts too 

[VIXTE]

Well Scotland Yard are bringing in the earth diggers to look for a body now  ...  so I guess they've  'misunderstood'  the cadaver dog's alerts too

IMO they don't find it important at all..

[Mr Moderator]

This is a new thread.

Members should take care when posting since there are three live threads which potentially deal with the proposed digs in Praia da Luz.

* Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann.

* Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.

* Could a child really be buried so quick and never be found?


It is important that you post on the correct thread.  Your cooperation in this would be greatly appreciated.

[Mr Gray]

This is a new thread.

Members should take care when posting since there are three live threads which potentially deal with the proposed digs in Praia da Luz.

Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann.

Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.

Could a child really be buried so quick and never be found?

Have the areas been searched before....are all the areas regularly walked by the public

[Silkywhiskers]

Have the areas been searched before....are all the areas regularly walked by the public

I doubt anyone regularly walks across overgrown, bumpy, fenced off vacant land.

It's called "trespass".

[Brietta]

The opinion of the Portuguese police suggests that the scenario of the body of an abducted child being buried close to the scene of the crime fits the profile of perpetrators of this sort of crime.  I would assume such a person would not linger while carrying out such a task.


37. In the hypothesis that the girl had been taken by someone and taking into account the time that had passed before the Guarda was alerted, it would be possible that she had been transported to a distance quite far away, further than any of the search perimeters, however the lack of any information about what really could have happened, makes it necessary that the decision about how to direct the searches, should be based only on the typology of the crime eventually in question and on the profile of the aggressor of this kind of crime, who would normally leave the victim in a place not very far from where she had been taken and who would in most cases bury the child. Within the theory, searches were made using an all terrain vehicle of the area composed of the Mata Nacional do Barao de S. Joao.

http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GNR_SNIFFER.htm

[Alfred R Jones]

Hmmm.....an individual seen on a beach with a child's bucket and spade, digging a hole....perhaps preparing a surprise fort for his children to play in....

No one would look twice.

After 7pm at night?  On his own?  Carrying a bucket and spade? 

Apparently asking questions like these is a propaganda technique I use frequently - I apologise in advance to Icabod for annoying her.

[Albertini]

You seem very certain that Madeleine is buried in that patch of waste ground.  Aren't you jumping the gun a bit?

I have no inside information as to what SY want out of the digs, other than to note that given the way this request has been approved it must be on the basis of some foundation based evidence.

If the PJ aren't going to let the Yard look at the bank accounts of suspects then they aren't going to let the Yard dig up PDL easily or on a whim are they?

I am still waiting to hear coherent and persuasive how, whys whens and wherefores of an abductor taking the child and dumping the body in the self same resort.

I've explained why i do not believe it would be possible for as third party abductor to do this.

Have you or indeed any of the McCann supporters pieced together something, anything, remotely cognitive to explain the digs?

All i've heard is an awful lot of misdirection and squirming from supporters.

[Brietta]

Hmmm.....an individual seen on a beach with a child's bucket and spade, digging a hole....perhaps preparing a surprise fort for his children to play in....

No one would look twice.

That may be so ~ but the GNR dog teams did look at least once and found nada ~ which suggests to me there was no body there to be found.

3. During this nocturnal period, the searches took place along the entire perimeter of the OC, in the urban area, plots of land and the nearest buildings, the officers searching all the place where there was a possibility the child might be, this area being extended later to include all of the beach zone.

http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GNR_SNIFFER.htm