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Offline Carana

Re: So where was Smithman going to that night?
« Reply #105 on: May 16, 2014, 11:47:10 AM »
Only 3 out of 9 eye witnesses went to Portugal to give statements (Martin, Peter & Aoife). Mrs Mary Smith didn't travel or we would've possibly first known about when she asked, 'Oh is she asleep?' but Smithman didn't respond.

9 Eye Witnesses in total:

Upon being asked, he states that he was accompanied by his wife, MARY SMITH and his son, PETER SMITH, his daughter-in-law, SILE, and his grandchildren of 13 and 6 years of age respectively (children of PETER) TA*** and CO**, his daughter AOIFE (12 years of age) and his other two grandchildren (AI****** (10 years old) and EI**** (four years old) who are children of his daughter B***** who was in Ireland. (Martin Smith)

That's a lot of family members who didn't agree with Martin's late doubt that it was Gerry, even excluding the 4-year-old...
« Last Edit: May 16, 2014, 11:48:42 AM by Carana »

Offline pathfinder73

Re: So where was Smithman going to that night?
« Reply #106 on: May 16, 2014, 11:53:39 AM »
That's a lot of family members who didn't agree with Martin's late doubt that it was Gerry, even excluding the 4-year-old...

It would be interesting to find out what other information would've arisen about the man if they all had given statements excluding the youngest ages i.e. 4 & 6.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Brietta

Re: So where was Smithman going to that night?
« Reply #107 on: May 16, 2014, 11:54:04 AM »
Only 3 out of 9 eye witnesses went to Portugal to give statements (Martin, Peter & Aoife). Mrs Mary Smith didn't travel or we would've possibly first known about when she asked, 'Oh is she asleep?' but Smithman didn't respond.

9 Eye Witnesses in total:

Upon being asked, he states that he was accompanied by his wife, MARY SMITH and his son, PETER SMITH, his daughter-in-law, SILE, and his grandchildren of 13 and 6 years of age respectively (children of PETER) TA*** and CO**, his daughter AOIFE (12 years of age) and his other two grandchildren (AI****** (10 years old) and EI**** (four years old) who are children of his daughter B***** who was in Ireland. (Martin Smith)


Is it not the case that Mrs Smith gave her statement in Portugal?
This may explain why it is not in the PJ files as it was taken at a different time. 
The Smith's spent a lot of time in Portugal as I believe Mr Smith may have had business interests there and they owned their apartment.

I have read that somewhere but cannot provide a cite.  Anyone help?

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Offline pathfinder73

Re: So where was Smithman going to that night?
« Reply #108 on: May 16, 2014, 12:06:49 PM »


Is it not the case that Mrs Smith gave her statement in Portugal?
This may explain why it is not in the PJ files as it was taken at a different time. 
The Smith's spent a lot of time in Portugal as I believe Mr Smith may have had business interests there and they owned their apartment.

I have read that somewhere but cannot provide a cite.  Anyone help?


Mary Smith never gave a statement to the PJ as far as I know.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id162.html

His wife Mary, 59, said: "We saw a man carrying a blonde child. It was just such a normal thing to see in a holiday resort — we didn't think anything of it at the time."

Speaking from his home in Drogheda, Co. Louth, Mr Smith recalled the sighting, which is strikingly similar to one by a friend of the McCanns, Jane Tanner. In hindsight, the retired Mr Smith said, the mans rude behaviour should have aroused his suspicions.
 
He explained: "The one thing we noted afterwards was that he gave us no greeting.

"My wife Mary remembered afterwards that she asked him, 'Oh, is she asleep?' But he never acknowledged her one way or another.

"He just put his head down and averted his eyes. This is very unusual in a tourist town at such a quiet time of the year."

"I rang the Portuguese police and they took a statement from me on the phone.Then they asked me to make a statement to gardai, which I did in Drogheda two weeks after the disappearance.

"Two days later, Leicestershire police got on to us and said they wanted to speak to all nine of us. But we felt there was no point dragging grand children and the whole lot out to Portugal so just my eldest son, Peter, and youngest daughter, Aoife, and I flew to Luz to make a statement.

"We spent the whole day there from 10.30am to 7pm with an interpreter. That day, May 26 last year, was the last time we had any contact with the investigation.I remember clearly because it was my wedding anniversary.

"I told them we went for dinner at the Dolphin Restaurant and then went on to have just one drink in Kelly's bar, just 50 yards away.

"We would normally have stayed out longer but my son and his family were going home the next day.

"As we made our way back to our apartment in Estrella da Luz, we met a guy with a child that appeared to be asleep.

"None of us was 100 per cent sure what he was wearing but we all told police he was wearing beige trousers and a darker top. We all put him in his early 40s. I didnt think he was Portuguese." Insisting he knew chief suspect Robert Murat visually for years, Mr Smith told police the person he saw carrying a child could not be him.

"I told police it was definitely not him because the man wasn't as big as Murat. I think I would have definitely recognised him."

"It looked like a blonde child, and I thought she might be four years old, as she was the same size as my grandchild who was with us.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline misty

Re: So where was Smithman going to that night?
« Reply #109 on: May 16, 2014, 04:38:06 PM »


Is it not the case that Mrs Smith gave her statement in Portugal?
This may explain why it is not in the PJ files as it was taken at a different time. 
The Smith's spent a lot of time in Portugal as I believe Mr Smith may have had business interests there and they owned their apartment.

I have read that somewhere but cannot provide a cite.  Anyone help?

Mr Smith co-owned the apartment with a Liam O'Neal (spelling correct??) & visited Portugal 3 times a year, according to his statement. He had worked for Unilever according to the press.

Offline John

Re: So where was Smithman going to that night?
« Reply #110 on: May 16, 2014, 05:32:18 PM »
It goes without saying that Mrs Smith must have been back in Praia da Luz many times since the events on 3rd May 2007.  Surely she would have been asked for a statement at some stage?
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Silkywhiskers

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Re: So where was Smithman going to that night?
« Reply #111 on: May 16, 2014, 06:08:20 PM »
Good grief

Team McCann are tying themselves up like pretzels rather than admit the truth which is -

After 4 years of investigation and review, SY have ended up in the exact same place as the PJ did.

This is undeniable fact.


Offline Carana

Re: So where was Smithman going to that night?
« Reply #112 on: May 19, 2014, 01:17:15 PM »
Good grief

Team McCann are tying themselves up like pretzels rather than admit the truth which is -

After 4 years of investigation and review, SY have ended up in the exact same place as the PJ did.

This is undeniable fact.

Which "place" do you mean? PdL? If so, I don't find that particularly surprising as that is where she disappeared.

If you mean that Tannerman has been more or less excluded and that Smithman is a greater focus... then, yes.

However, the reasoning appears to be quite different, wouldn't you agree?



icabodcrane

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Re: So where was Smithman going to that night?
« Reply #113 on: May 19, 2014, 01:53:21 PM »
That's a lot of family members who didn't agree with Martin's late doubt that it was Gerry, even excluding the 4-year-old...

What o you mean when  you say that other members of the Smith family  'disagree'   with Martin Smith about the man being Gerry  ? 

I was under the impression that the rest of the familiy were not able to say whether the man was Gerry or not  ...  not that  'disagreed' but,  rather,  that they were unable to  confirm

Saying that they 'disagreed' with Martin Smith implies that the rest of the family thought the man they saw that night was definately   not Gerry McCann 

Have they  ?

Have any of the Smith family said that the man they saw that night was definately  not Gerry McCann   ?   

Offline jassi

Re: So where was Smithman going to that night?
« Reply #114 on: May 19, 2014, 01:54:16 PM »
Which "place" do you mean? PdL? If so, I don't find that particularly surprising as that is where she disappeared.

If you mean that Tannerman has been more or less excluded and that Smithman is a greater focus... then, yes.

However, the reasoning appears to be quite different, wouldn't you agree?

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ferryman

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Re: So where was Smithman going to that night?
« Reply #115 on: May 19, 2014, 01:57:30 PM »
What o you mean when  you say that other members of the Smith family  'disagree'   with Martin Smith about the man being Gerry  ? 

I was under the impression that the rest of the familiy were not able to say whether the man was Gerry or not  ...  not that  'disagreed' but,  rather,  that they were unable to  confirm

Saying that they 'disagreed' with Martin Smith implies that the rest of the family thought the man they saw that night was definately   not Gerry McCann 

Have they  ?

Have any of the Smith family said that the man they saw that night was definately  not Gerry McCann   ?

The only one who felt the same way as Mr Smith was Mr Smith's wife (Mr Smith's own words).

That Mr Smith subsequently agreed (after initial refusal) to produce an e-fit clearly demonstrates that he also subsequently changed his mind. (About seeing Gerry).

icabodcrane

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Re: So where was Smithman going to that night?
« Reply #116 on: May 19, 2014, 02:05:37 PM »
The only one who felt the same way as Mr Smith was Mr Smith's wife (Mr Smith's own words).

That Mr Smith subsequently agreed (after initial refusal) to produce an e-fit clearly demonstrates that he also subsequently changed his mind. (About seeing Gerry).

What I am trying to clarify is whether or not any member  of his  family  'disagreed'  with Martin Smith  ( as is being claimed here  ) 

Has any member of the Smith family said that they are certain the man they saw that night was  not  Gerry McCann 

It's a straightforward question
« Last Edit: May 19, 2014, 02:07:40 PM by icabodcrane »

ferryman

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Re: So where was Smithman going to that night?
« Reply #117 on: May 19, 2014, 02:09:05 PM »
What I am trying to clarify is whether or not any member  of his  family  'disagreed'  with Martin Smith  ( as is being claimed here  ) 

Has any member of the Smith family said that they are certain the man they saw that night was  not  Gerry McCann 

It's a straightforward question

 During that time I spoke to all my family members who were with me on the night of 3rd May 2007 about this and the only one who felt the same way as me was my wife. She had seen the video clip of Gerard McCann walking down the stairs of the plane earlier that day. We did not discuss this until some days later.

Martin Smith

Offline John

Re: So where was Smithman going to that night?
« Reply #118 on: May 20, 2014, 05:18:01 AM »
We have two e-fits supposedly both attributable to the 'Irish family' ie the Smiths, but why oh why are they so different if they are supposed to represent the same man?

Surely the one on the left could never in a millon years be taken for GM?

« Last Edit: May 20, 2014, 05:21:34 AM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

ferryman

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Re: So where was Smithman going to that night?
« Reply #119 on: May 20, 2014, 06:52:28 AM »
We have two e-fits supposedly both attributable to the 'Irish family' ie the Smiths, but why oh why are they so different if they are supposed to represent the same man?

Surely the one on the left could never in a millon years be taken for GM?



I think one e-fit is by Martin Smith and the other is by Aofie (the two most observant witnesses of what the Smiths all saw that night).

I find it astonishing that Aofie was just 11 or 12 at the time, an incredible witness for her age.