So what is the evidence for abduction?

[Alfred R Jones]

Are you equating murder to death ?

No.  The inference by some on here is that The Met are obviously pursuing a line of enquiry that Madeleine died in the Apartment to the exclusion of all other theories ie: that the McCanns are their chief suspects.  They have arrived at this conclusion based on the fact that the Met have announced that Madeleine may have died in the apartment and are preparing to dig certain locations in PdL.  I am asking what evidence of abduction SY would need to convince them that she hadn't been murdered in the Apartment.  I hope that's clear...

[icabodcrane]

Once again I ask you - what sort of evidence do you think would convince them she wasn't murdered in the apartment by a stranger?  What evidence is there that she WAS murdered in the apartment?

Alfred,  there is another thread that is discussing the evidence for murder in the apartment

This  thread asks what evidence there is for  'abduction'

I suggest that there isn't any at all  ...   because if there was evidence of abduction then  the police would not be considering death in the apartment   ( murder by a burglar included )

[jassi]

No.  The inference by some on here is that The Met are obviously pursuing a line of enquiry that Madeleine died in the Apartment to the exclusion of all other theories ie: that the McCanns are their chief suspects.  They have arrived at this conclusion based on the fact that the Met have announced that Madeleine may have died in the apartment and are preparing to dig certain locations in PdL.  I am asking what evidence of abduction SY would need to convince them that she hadn't been murdered in the Apartment. I hope that's clear...

Yes, thanks.

I just wonder who is saying that Madeleine was murdered? Most posters (who are commenting) seem to favour accidental, or at least non-intentional death.

[Alfred R Jones]

Alfred,  there is another thread that is discussing the evidence for murder in the apartment

This  thread asks what evidence there is for  'abduction'

I suggest that there isn't any at all  ...   because if there was evidence of abduction then  the police would not be considering death in the apartment   ( murder by a burglar included )

Once again you have dodged the question.  What evidence of abduction would be required to absolutely eliminate the possibility that Madeleine died in the apartment?

[Alfred R Jones]

If, for example, the Met had found a strange Size 13 footprint in the wardrobe that had previously been overlooked, would that be considered "a shred of evidence of abduction" or not?  And would such evidence then mean it unlikely Madeleine had been killed in the apartment? 

[jassi]

Not if there was a perfectly innocent explanation for why there should be a size 13 footprint in the wardrobe.

[icabodcrane]

If, for example, the Met had found a strange Size 13 footprint in the wardrobe that had previously been overlooked, would that be considered "a shred of evidence of abduction" or not?  And would such evidence then mean it unlikely Madeleine had been killed in the apartment?

You are asking what constitutes evidence of abduction  ? 

I don't know

The Metropolitan police would though  ...   and they clearly havn't found any

If they had any evidence at all that Madeleine was abducted then they would not be wasting time investigating her death in the apartment  ( or  digging for her body )

[Alfred R Jones]

You are asking what constitutes evidence of abduction  ? 

I don't know

The Metropolitan police would though  ...   and they clearly havn't found any

If they had any evidence at all that Madeleine was abducted then they would not be wasting time investigating her death in the apartment  ( or  digging for her body )

Did you know that people can be abducted by strangers and then murdered?  Sad but true.  This sometimes results in them being buried, occasionally not far from where there were killed.  I'm sorry to be the bearer of such horrid news, I hope it hasn't come as a shock.  I sincerely hope this isn't the fate that befell Madeleine but it's one that needs to be seriously considered, and that presumably is why the Met are conducting searches in PdL.

[Eleanor]

Did you know that people can be abducted by strangers and then murdered?  Sad but true.  This sometimes results in them being buried, occasionally not far from where there were killed.  I'm sorry to be the bearer of such horrid news, I hope it hasn't come as a shock.  I sincerely hope this isn't the fate that befell Madeleine but it's one that needs to be seriously considered, and that presumably is why the Met are conducting searches in PdL.

This is true.  This is what paedophiles normally do.  They abduct children, abuse them, murder them, and then abandon or bury them.  Scotland Yard knows this as they have dealt with many such cases in the past.  This is why they are searching scrub land.  They do this in Britain, and have even been known to drag rivers.  They don't always find anything.

[Mr Gray]

Alfred,  there is another thread that is discussing the evidence for murder in the apartment

This  thread asks what evidence there is for  'abduction'

I suggest that there isn't any at all  ...   because if there was evidence of abduction then  the police would not be considering death in the apartment   ( murder by a burglar included )

there is evidence of abduction but not proof....you are confusing the two words

[Mr Gray]

Like what other than the child went missing?

By saying  "other than"....you are accepting that the child missing is evidence of abduction

[jassi]

Madeleine being missing is just evidence of  - well, Madeleine being missing, nothing more.
Now, if it could be proved that Smithman was actually carrying Madeleine, then we could be in another ball game altogether.

[stephen25000]

For the umpteenth time, 'a missing child' is not evidence of abduction.


All it shows, is that there is a missing child, cause unknown.

[Mr Gray]

Madeleine being missing is just evidence of  - well, Madeleine being missing, nothing more.
Now, if it could be proved that Smithman was actually carrying Madeleine, then we could be in another ball game altogether.

perhaps you don't understand what Les posted,,,,I'm awaiting his response

[Mr Gray]

Madeleine being missing is just evidence of  - well, Madeleine being missing, nothing more.
Now, if it could be proved that Smithman was actually carrying Madeleine, then we could be in another ball game altogether.

Nothing is proved until the case reaches court...first the evidence is collected...you are quite wrong and les is right...madeleine missing IS evidence of abduction...just one small piece...however just because you have evidence of something...doesn't make it true....it gets a little boring but you confuse eveidence and proof