So what is the evidence for abduction?

[jassi]

Rather not old stick.
It falls in the category, for you, "you can't have yer bun and yer 'apenny".
The broad issues bit comes in a Redwood video right at the beginning which you choose to ignore in favour of the bit at the end.
Why is that ?

Common sense, init?   

[ShiningInLuz]

The denial of the assaults which were carried out on British children whose parents were sleeping in the next door bedroom is possibly a fair staring point for the denial that Madeleine may have been abducted.

It seems witness statements are not considered enough ... doesn't mean it didn't happen though.


 

That video is interesting on a number of points.  Luckman indicates that Amaral did not indicate 'to the sea' past the Chinese, but down the street the Smiths had just come up.
 8((()*/

[Alfred R Jones]

Rather not old stick.
It falls in the category, for you, "you can't have yer bun and yer 'apenny".
The broad issues bit comes in a Redwood video right at the beginning which you choose to ignore in favour of the bit at the end.
Why is that ?

I have chosen to ignore nothing.  If you choose to interpret "a broad range of issues" to mean "a broad range of theories" then that really is your problem, not mine.

[G-Unit]

As there is no evidence that Madeleine was abducted, what is the likelihood that she was? There's a lot of hysteria about stranger child abduction in recent years but it's very rare. How rare we don't know because the figures aren't clear, nor are the ages.

In his book Protecting the Gift, child-safety expert Gavin De Becker pointed out that compared to a stranger kidnapping, “ child is vastly more likely to have a heart attack, and child heart attacks are so rare that most parents (correctly) never even consider the risk.”
http://news.discovery.com/human/psychology/stranger-child-abductions-actually-very-rare-130514.htm

[Mr Gray]

As there is no evidence that Madeleine was abducted, what is the likelihood that she was? There's a lot of hysteria about stranger child abduction in recent years but it's very rare. How rare we don't know because the figures aren't clear, nor are the ages.

In his book Protecting the Gift, child-safety expert Gavin De Becker pointed out that compared to a stranger kidnapping, “ child is vastly more likely to have a heart attack, and child heart attacks are so rare that most parents (correctly) never even consider the risk.”
http://news.discovery.com/human/psychology/stranger-child-abductions-actually-very-rare-130514.htm

statistically the likelihood that Maddie was abducted is very high

[G-Unit]

statistically the likelihood that Maddie was abducted is very high

Please back up your statement so we know it's not just opinion.

[Mr Gray]

Please back up your statement so we know it's not just opinion.

It's fairly obvious.....you are confusing the chances of a child being abducted to the chances that a child has been abducted......
What are the chances that Ben Needham was abducted....you can consider this without bias and I think you will agree it's fairly high

[Mr Gray]

I can only think realistically of 3 scenarios

abduction
woke and wandered
accident and cover up

if we consider each as equal the the chances of abduction are 33%...

that's not blind belief...it's logic

once you realise that a fatal accident where Maddie died almost immediately is basically impossible....that the fact that maddie would not have closed the gates behind her...then the chances of abduction increase

[Carana]

As there is no evidence that Madeleine was abducted, what is the likelihood that she was? There's a lot of hysteria about stranger child abduction in recent years but it's very rare. How rare we don't know because the figures aren't clear, nor are the ages.

In his book Protecting the Gift, child-safety expert Gavin De Becker pointed out that compared to a stranger kidnapping, “ child is vastly more likely to have a heart attack, and child heart attacks are so rare that most parents (correctly) never even consider the risk.”
http://news.discovery.com/human/psychology/stranger-child-abductions-actually-very-rare-130514.htm

Stranger abductions do appear to be rare and rarer still from inside a home. However, that doesn't mean that they don't happen... There's the child taken from her bath while her mother was in the house in the UK. Elizabeth Smart was taken from her bedroom while the parents were asleep. There have been a few others in the US and in Australia in recent years.

There's also one that happened just last week in France - a 5-year-old little girl taken from her first-floor bedroom in the middle of the night out of a window left open due to the heat. Neither her parents nor her sister all sleeping nearby heard anything.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6044.msg252440#msg252440

[Alice Purjorick]

I can only think realistically of 3 scenarios

abduction
woke and wandered
accident and cover up

if we consider each as equal the the chances of abduction are 33%...

that's not blind belief...it's logic

once you realise that a fatal accident where Maddie died almost immediately is basically impossible....that the fact that maddie would not have closed the gates behind her...then the chances of abduction increase

I rather think that the probability (chance) of abduction will remain constant as it is not dependent on a gate or the probability of accidental death. It stands in its own right.

[Benice]

Stranger abductions do appear to be rare and rarer still from inside a home. However, that doesn't mean that they don't happen... There's the child taken from her bath while her mother was in the house in the UK. Elizabeth Smart was taken from her bedroom while the parents were asleep. There have been a few others in the US and in Australia in recent years.

There's also one that happened just last week in France - a 5-year-old little girl taken from her first-floor bedroom in the middle of the night out of a window left open due to the heat. Neither her parents nor her sister all sleeping nearby heard anything.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6044.msg252440#msg252440

Unfortunately folk seem to think that 'very rare' means 'never' in the McCann case.

The fact that it was 16 years prior to 2007 that a UK child (Ben Needham), was abducted abroad is evidence of how rare this crime is - but is also evidence that 'rare' does not mean 'never'.

[Brietta]

Stranger abductions do appear to be rare and rarer still from inside a home. However, that doesn't mean that they don't happen... There's the child taken from her bath while her mother was in the house in the UK. Elizabeth Smart was taken from her bedroom while the parents were asleep. There have been a few others in the US and in Australia in recent years.

There's also one that happened just last week in France - a 5-year-old little girl taken from her first-floor bedroom in the middle of the night out of a window left open due to the heat. Neither her parents nor her sister all sleeping nearby heard anything.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6044.msg252440#msg252440

Girl, 3, 'kidnapped' by a stranger through her bedroom window but is miraculously saved when her father and uncle chase abductor down and tackle him

By SOPHIE JANE EVANS FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 14:29, 9 January 2015 | UPDATED: 16:38, 9 January 2015

A three-year-old girl was kidnapped by a stranger through her bedroom window - but miraculously saved when her father and uncle chased her abductor down the street, police have said.

The unidentified youngster was allegedly snatched by the hooded man after he leaned through her window at her family's Southern California home on Thursday and told her to 'come toward him'.

However, she was rescued when her father and uncle reportedly heard a commotion and ran out of the house, pursuing the alleged kidnapper down the street until they eventually caught up with him.

They then tackled the man to the ground, it is said.

Now, the man has been arrested by police on suspicion of kidnapping the infant.

His name, age and place of residence are currently being withheld by the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department.

In a statement, the Department said:

'A male adult allegedly grabbed ahold of a 3-year-old female by reaching through a bedroom window at the female’s residence.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2903401/Girl-three-kidnapped-stranger-bedroom-window-miraculously-saved-father-uncle-chase-abductor-street-tackle-him.html#ixzz3fCa3t83G

[Miss Taken Identity]

Girl, 3, 'kidnapped' by a stranger through her bedroom window but is miraculously saved when her father and uncle chase abductor down and tackle him

By SOPHIE JANE EVANS FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 14:29, 9 January 2015 | UPDATED: 16:38, 9 January 2015

A three-year-old girl was kidnapped by a stranger through her bedroom window - but miraculously saved when her father and uncle chased her abductor down the street, police have said.

The unidentified youngster was allegedly snatched by the hooded man after he leaned through her window at her family's Southern California home on Thursday and told her to 'come toward him'.

However, she was rescued when her father and uncle reportedly heard a commotion and ran out of the house, pursuing the alleged kidnapper down the street until they eventually caught up with him.

They then tackled the man to the ground, it is said.

Now, the man has been arrested by police on suspicion of kidnapping the infant.

His name, age and place of residence are currently being withheld by the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department.

In a statement, the Department said:

'A male adult allegedly grabbed ahold of a 3-year-old female by reaching through a bedroom window at the female’s residence.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2903401/Girl-three-kidnapped-stranger-bedroom-window-miraculously-saved-father-uncle-chase-abductor-street-tackle-him.html#ixzz3fCa3t83G

I assume this is being posted to prove abductions can be done from  bedroom windows... Thank goodness the childs family were there to stop it! I bet there was evidence like  DNA and other stuff available, unlike Apartment 5a ...

[Brietta]

I assume this is being posted to prove abductions can be done from  bedroom windows... Thank goodness the childs family were there to stop it! I bet there was evidence like  DNA and other stuff available, unlike Apartment 5a ...

Hmmm ... interesting you think there may be DNA available.  According to that article ... the abductor did not enter via the window he had opened. 
He stood outside, the child came to him, he lifted her out and made off with her.

If the story is proved to be true ... I would say there are one or two interesting parallels with the situation in Praia da Luz.

[Alice Purjorick]

Hmmm ... interesting you think there may be DNA available.  According to that article ... the abductor did not enter via the window he had opened. 
He stood outside, the child came to him, he lifted her out and made off with her.

If the story is proved to be true ... I would say there are one or two interesting parallels with the situation in Praia da Luz.

Don't keep us in suspense! do tell what the parallels are.
There is an obvious nonparallel of course relating to the location of the parents.