So what is the evidence for abduction?

[mercury]

That doesn't answer my question mercury.       What evidence (which is so obvious to sceptics) have they missed which should have convinced them that the McCanns and/or their friends are guilty of wrongdoing and are all lying their heads off?

No,you said how have they got it all so wrong, so I asked, what exactly have they got (right or wrong, seems nothing much apart from telling the world Tannerman was an innocent parent)

It wasn't a comment related to any other discussion going on.

[Benice]

Bit of massaging of facts going on here and a rather telling "result/wishful thinking"  of an investigation.  The remit of the two operations was not to rule out the Mccanns, was it? the Mccanns were declared not persons of interest "in the context of" specific enquiries centred around persons of interest. Sigh.

With respect - I think the 'wishful thinking' is all on your part Mercury. 

From everything we have seen, i.e. Crimewatch appeals - the actions of the PJ and SY - which have no connection at all to the McCanns, and the clear statement by SY that neither the McCanns nor their friends are suspects - only goes to show how powerful  'wishful thinking' is - if the conclusion arrived at as a result of all that is .... 'the McCanns are prime suspects'.   (even bigger sigh)


 

[stephen25000]

With respect - I think the 'wishful thinking' is all on your part Mercury. 

From everything we have seen, i.e. Crimewatch appeals - the actions of the PJ and SY - which have no connection at all to the McCanns, and the clear statement by SY that neither the McCanns nor their friends are suspects - only goes to show how powerful  'wishful thinking' is - if the conclusion arrived at as a result of all that is .... 'the McCanns are prime suspects'.   (even bigger sigh)

What has all this achieved ?

Much bigger sigh.😏

[mercury]

With respect - I think the 'wishful thinking' is all on your part Mercury. 

From everything we have seen, i.e. Crimewatch appeals - the actions of the PJ and SY - which have no connection at all to the McCanns, and the clear statement by SY that neither the McCanns nor their friends are suspects - only goes to show how powerful  'wishful thinking' is - if the conclusion arrived at as a result of all that is .... 'the McCanns are prime suspects'.   (even bigger sigh)

There is no wish in my thinking.I do not "wish" for anyone to be made a suspect unless the police think there are serious grounds to do so. The point and content of my post seems to have wooshed over your head by the way. For some reason.

PJ only ever said Mccanns are not suspects in relation to the reason the case was reopened, which was Monteiro. SY said they were not suspects in the context of their investigations on certain people at the time. Get it now? And PJ nor SY have never officially said Madeleine was abducted either.

[xtina]

With respect - I think the 'wishful thinking' is all on your part Mercury. 

From everything we have seen, i.e. Crimewatch appeals - the actions of the PJ and SY - which have no connection at all to the McCanns, and the clear statement by SY that neither the McCanns nor their friends are suspects - only goes to show how powerful  'wishful thinking' is - if the conclusion arrived at as a result of all that is .... 'the McCanns are prime suspects'.   (even bigger sigh)

OK most of u keep saying the mccs are not suspects .....but that is not as cut and dried as you make out ....for instance ..why do so many people think they should be .....their is no evidence for abduction....apart from there say so ....and you cannot rule out they wont be suspects in the future ....the case is not closed...is it.

[Benice]

No,you said how have they got it all so wrong, so I asked, what exactly have they got (right or wrong, seems nothing much apart from telling the world Tannerman was an innocent parent)

It wasn't a comment related to any other discussion going on.

Yes - I asked how IYO two police forces have managed to get it all so wrong.

If you can't come up with anything which SY and the PJ have done which specifically proves them to be barking up the wrong tree - then what have they done to make you think they're both wrong?

As part of their investigations they have established that the man JT saw was very probably an innocent tourist.
So what?

[mercury]

Yes - I asked how IYO two police forces have managed to get it all so wrong.

If you can't come up with anything which SY and the PJ have done which specifically proves them to be barking up the wrong tree - then what have they done to make you think they're both wrong?

As part of their investigations they have established that the man JT saw was very probably an innocent tourist.
So what?

I dont recall saying they were wrong about anything. And I have no idea what tree they are barking up on either. I can only comment when they cmment and theyve both been silent for a year or so now IIRC, must be busy.

[Benice]

OK most of u keep saying the mccs are not suspects .....but that is not as cut and dried as you make out ....for instance ..why do so many people think they should be .....their is no evidence for abduction....apart from there say so ....and you cannot rule out they wont be suspects in the future ....the case is not closed...is it.

Get your facts right.  No evidence of an abduction was found.   That does not mean it never existed as it could have been destroyed or overlooked.

Even Amaral commented on the less than professional manner of his officers when it came to collecting forensic evidence.

[xtina]

Yes - I asked how IYO two police forces have managed to get it all so wrong.

If you can't come up with anything which SY and the PJ have done which specifically proves them to be barking up the wrong tree - then what have they done to make you think they're both wrong?

As part of their investigations they have established that the man JT saw was very probably an innocent tourist.
So what?

so what ..........wasn't that the only so called thing.... that backed the abduction up ....

[Benice]

so what ..........wasn't that the only so called thing.... that backed the abduction up ....

No - it extended the time frame in which Madeleine could have been abducted.

(must go out now)

[mercury]

Get your facts right.  No evidence of an abduction was found.   That does not mean it never existed as it could have been destroyed or overlooked.

Even Amaral commented on the less than professional manner of his officers when it came to collecting forensic evidence.

Did he? Well, there's also the fact that

Yes it didn't help much that the evidence was trampled all over by several people before the police were even called as the Public Prosecutor told us, so best to give all sides to a story Benice.

[stephen25000]

Get your facts right.  No evidence of an abduction was found.   That does not mean it never existed as it could have been destroyed or overlooked.

Even Amaral commented on the less than professional manner of his officers when it came to collecting forensic evidence.

That also applies to accidental death in the apartment then, and of course the inconclusive forensics.

[carlymichelle]

so what ..........wasn't that the only so called thing.... that backed the abduction up ....

abduction theory supporters also fail to mention that if the mcanns had been there maddie  wouldnt be missing now  whatever did happen

[xtina]

Get your facts right.  No evidence of an abduction was found.   That does not mean it never existed as it could have been destroyed or overlooked.

Even Amaral commented on the less than professional manner of his officers when it came to collecting forensic evidence.

get your facts right too........the mccs new maddie had been abducted straight away......yet the let 20 odd people trample round the apartment ...method in there madness or what ...or .are they completely incompetent ....

[stephen25000]

get your facts right too........the mccs new maddie had been abducted straight away......yet the let 20 odd people trample round the apartment ...method in there madness or what ...or .are they completely incompetent ....

You're being too polite Xtina.