So what is the evidence for abduction?

[Silkywhiskers]

Yes the absence of the child is evidence, same as the absence of Claudia Lawrence is evidence that she too has been abducted.

What a load of rubbish.

The absence of the child is evidence of ABSENCE OF THE CHILD.

Nothing more.

[Alfred R Jones]

What a load of rubbish.

The absence of the child is evidence of ABSENCE OF THE CHILD.

Nothing more.

what is the absence of Claudia Lawrence then? Why was her disappearance treated as an abduction pretty much from day one despite the lack of any other evidence?  Do you not see the parallels?  No physical or tangible evidence of abduction, yet abduction has been the only plausible, logical theory, which is what the police have been working on for the last x years and are now, at last, pulling together some actual, tangible evidence in the hopes of securing a charge and conviction and finally an answer to what happened to her.

[Brietta]

So what is the evidence for abduction which holds so dear to the 3 wise monkeys hearts?

Madeleine missing from an UNLOCKED apartment?

The "jemmied" shutters which hadn't been jemmied?

The witness statements of the last people to see her alive....who also happen to have motive to lie?

I'd be interested to know?

OK ~ Jemmied shutters ~ why weren’t they? 

If it was intended to deceive people into the belief the abductor had entered via the ‘jemmied’ shutters … why didn’t they actually jemmy them?

[Silkywhiskers]

what is the absence of Claudia Lawrence then? Why was her disappearance treated as an abduction pretty much from day one despite the lack of any other evidence?  Do you not see the parallels?  No physical or tangible evidence of abduction, yet abduction has been the only plausible, logical theory, which is what the police have been working on for the last x years and are now, at last, pulling together some actual, tangible evidence in the hopes of securing a charge and conviction and finally an answer to what happened to her.

No, I do not see any "parallels".

Claudia was an adult, which means she walked out of her own apartment voluntarily and met her fate thereafter.

Madeleine is thought to have died in 5a, which means she couldn't have walked anywhere.

Claudia had an active personal life, raising the possibilities of suspects, yet Madeleine should have been the SAFEST CHILD IN THE WORLD, statistically speaking.

Indeed, she would have been safe (allegedly) if her parents had actually looked after her.

How is a child dying in a foreign apartment and being hidden, remotely connected or comparable to a single woman being taken by a mystery man on her way to work?

 8-)(--)

[Alfred R Jones]

You are spectacularly missing the point Silkywhiskers.  Claudia could have moved to another part of the country and assumed a new identity.  She could have committed suicide.  She could have eloped with a secret lover.  These were all possibilities but all eventually discounted in favour of the theory that she had been abducted and murdered, despite the complete absence of any other supporting evidence.   

[Silkywhiskers]

You are spectacularly missing the point Silkywhiskers.  Claudia could have moved to another part of the country and assumed a new identity.  She could have committed suicide.  She could have eloped with a secret lover.  These were all possibilities but all eventually discounted in favour of the theory that she had been abducted and murdered, despite the complete absence of any other supporting evidence.

I no longer know what your "point" is.

[sadie]

What everyone is forgetting is the psychological side of what happened.

No way would parents that had hurt their child want to keep the spotlight on them

No way would they keep pushing for Justice and keep the case alive

No way would they involve SYard. reputedly the most expert investigators in the world to delve into each tiny bit, in case SY found someting out about them



No way.  They are innocent alright.

[Silkywhiskers]

The only thing that the missing child proves is that a child is missing.

There is evidence of cadaver scent in the apartment, but no evidence of an abduction.

 

The dogs have told us all along, what happened.

I imagine Eddie in dog heaven, rolling his eyes, and saying "about time!"

THE DIGS CONFIRM THE DOGS WORK.

The digs confirm SY believe Madeleine never left PDL alive.

[Brietta]

The only thing that the missing child proves is that a child is missing.

There is evidence of cadaver scent in the apartment, but no evidence of an abduction.

What evidence is there of cadaver scent in the apartment?

Eddie barked, that is not evidence.

When Eddie barked all Mr Grime could say is that the dog has indicated certain areas that warrant further examination.

On examination nothing was found to indicate cadaver.

[Silkywhiskers]

What evidence is there of cadaver scent in the apartment?

Eddie barked, that is not evidence.

When Eddie barked all Mr Grime could say is that the dog has indicated certain areas that warrant further examination.

On examination nothing was found to indicate cadaver.

A dog alert most certainly IS evidence.

Go back 20 years and a dog alert would have been enough to convict.

How on earth do you think trials were run before DNA was discovered?

[icabodcrane]

What evidence is there of cadaver scent in the apartment?

Eddie barked, that is not evidence.

When Eddie barked all Mr Grime could say is that the dog has indicated certain areas that warrant further examination.

On examination nothing was found to indicate cadaver.

If there is nothing to indicate a cadaver why are the police digging up PDL   ? 

[pinkblossoms]

The dogs have told us all along, what happened.

I imagine Eddie in dog heaven, rolling his eyes, and saying "about time!"

THE DIGS CONFIRM THE DOGS WORK.

The digs confirm SY believe Madeleine never left PDL alive.

oh please do get a grip whiskers 8-)(--) the dogs are not!!! evidence.

[Brietta]

A dog alert most certainly IS evidence.

Go back 20 years and a dog alert would have been enough to convict.

How on earth do you think trials were run before DNA was discovered?

So a dog barks ... and you get the chair.

Don't think so.

[Silkywhiskers]

So a dog barks ... and you get the chair.

Don't think so.

The dogs are evidence.

You are getting "evidence" confused with "proof".

[Brietta]

If there is nothing to indicate a cadaver why are the police digging up PDL   ?

They haven't started yet - probably analysing data from the air photographs - but good question - why indeed?