So what is the evidence for abduction?

[sadie]

Forensic traces are not only the fingerprints, Sadie.

I understand that Martina, but nobody bothered to preserve the scene forensically until it was too late.  What a disgrace!

The sheets were even washed weren't they?

[Martina]

I understand that Martina, but nobody bothered to preserve the scene forensically until it was too late.  What a disgrace!

The sheets were even washed weren't they?

It was already too late when the Police came. The crowds, invited into the flat by the McCanns trampled everything.

[pathfinder73]

10 - When the first police officers arrived at the scene several people were inside the apartment. Gonçalo Amaral says that mistakes were made because the scene should have been recorded (pictures or footage) with the people who were there so important aspects like the way those people were dressed was recorded. The twins were sleeping and did not wake up with the commotion. And the bed sheets on the twins' cots were not there. First 72 hours are extremely important in these cases.

18 - The apartment is checked for finger and hand prints, hair, fibres, blood and other biological evidence. Mistakes were made and Amaral underlines the person on the outside without a full suit on. No signs of break in and no prints of other people other than the ones who were supposed to have been at the apartment. No glove marks found either. A hand-print is found and also fingerprints on the window from where Madeleine was taken according to her parents. The hand-print belonged to one of the first GNR officers who arrived at the scene.

19 - The roadworks being done in the streets of PDL were checked by workmen, police officers and sniffer dogs. The Tapas are formally questioned in Portimão (it's still the morning of the 4th of May). First contradictions are detected. Jane Tanner 'saw' the abductor. Gerry and Jeremy were very close and did not see Jane or the abductor. The need for translation doesn't help because there is more time to think about what people should say. Kate and Gerry have no doubt that it is a kidnapping. Contradictions regarding the door and the window and shutters. (Open, closed, locked, unlocked, etc.)

[Silkywhiskers]

Whether the person wore gloves or not, you do agree then that there could be a viable reason for a perp to take her out of the apartment?

What perp?

 8-)(--)

[Carana]

It was already too late when the Police came. The crowds, invited into the flat by the McCanns trampled everything.

What crowds?

[Carana]

10 - When the first police officers arrived at the scene several people were inside the apartment. Gonçalo Amaral says that mistakes were made because the scene should have been recorded (pictures or footage) with the people who were there so important aspects like the way those people were dressed was recorded. The twins were sleeping and did not wake up with the commotion. And the bed sheets on the twins' cots were not there. First 72 hours are extremely important in these cases.

18 - The apartment is checked for finger and hand prints, hair, fibres, blood and other biological evidence. Mistakes were made and Amaral underlines the person on the outside without a full suit on. No signs of break in and no prints of other people other than the ones who were supposed to have been at the apartment. No glove marks found either. A hand-print is found and also fingerprints on the window from where Madeleine was taken according to her parents. The hand-print belonged to one of the first GNR officers who arrived at the scene.

What are you quoting?

[pathfinder73]

What are you quoting?

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id137.html

[Albertini]

And not forgetting Gerry McCann's desecration of the one, rock solid forensic lead, the shutters. The one where he rushed outside to test the shutters.

That's assuming the shutters were actually discovered open.

[icabodcrane]

If there  was evidence that Madeleine had been abducted  ...  actual,  honest-to-goodness  evidence  ...  then the Metropolitan police would not have said that she may have died in the apartment   ( nor would they be looking for her body metres from the apartment )

If they had even a shred of evidence that she was abducted then they would not even be considering that she died in the apartment and is buried close by

So, in answer to the thread question,  it would appear there  IS  no evidence for abduction

[Alfred R Jones]

What strange reasoning.  What would constitute evidence of abduction rather than murder by a stranger in the apartment, that they might have uncovered  - apart from, say, a ransom note or a confession?

[icabodcrane]

What strange reasoning.  What would constitute evidence of abduction rather than murder by a stranger in the apartment, that they might have uncovered  - apart from, say, a ransom note or a confession?

If there was any evidence   ...  any evidence at  all  ... that Madeleine was abducted,  then the Met would not be considering the possibility that she died in the apartment

Why would  they ?  ....  if they had evidence that she was abducted then they would  know  that she hadn't died in the apartment

Therefore,  there  is no evidence of  abduction 

[Martina]

What strange reasoning.  What would constitute evidence of abduction rather than murder by a stranger in the apartment, that they might have uncovered  - apart from, say, a ransom note or a confession?

Traces of a forced entry. Any forensic evidence (fibers, fingerprints, DNA) that a stranger actually entered the apartment. Any reliable sighting of Madeleine (after the 3rd May, of course).

[Alfred R Jones]

Traces of a forced entry. Any forensic evidence (fibers, fingerprints, DNA) that a stranger actually entered the apartment. Any reliable sighting of Madeleine (after the 3rd May, of course).

Wouldn't all that information (bar the last) also hold true for murder by a stranger in the apartment? 

[Alfred R Jones]

If there was any evidence   ...  any evidence at  all  ... that Madeleine was abducted,  then the Met would not be considering the possibility that she died in the apartment

Why would  they ?  ....  if they had evidence that she was abducted then they would  know  that she hadn't died in the apartment

Therefore,  there  is no evidence of  abduction

Once again I ask you - what sort of evidence do you think would convince them she wasn't murdered in the apartment by a stranger?  What evidence is there that she WAS murdered in the apartment?

[jassi]

Once again I ask you - what sort of evidence do you think would convince them she wasn't murdered in the apartment by a stranger?  What evidence is there that she WAS murdered in the apartment?

Are you equating murder to death ?