So what is the evidence for abduction?

[stephen25000]

All coppers are bright provided they say MM was abducted by a stranger.

That's dave's 2 nd law.

 

[Anna]

Really.

How do you know that ?

On just Redwood's word alone ?

I have spoken to police officers I know, and they are not convinced by the mccanns story.

They also reaffirmed that a full investigation was in order, not a one track one.

It matters not, what anyone thinks, Stephen.
Police officers are human beings with the same prejudices, weaknesses and faults as any other human being.
 
If your friendly police officers(are they detectives?) are connected to the case, they should not be sharing their opinions with a member of the public. that job is reserved for their superiors.
If they are not involved in the case, then they know no more than you and I.

[Lace]

Would you really expect them to say anything different?

This is what she said -


‘Well obviously I can’t give any investigation details out but let’s just say we’re really encouraged. There has been a lot of progress in the last six months plus, last year. The co-operation between the UK and the Portuguese seems to be really good which is really positive for us and I can say there is progress being made.’



It's good to hear that the Portuguese police and SY are working well together now.

[stephen25000]

It matters not, what anyone thinks, Stephen.
Police officers are human beings with the same prejudices, weaknesses and faults as any other human being.
 
If your friendly police officers(are they detectives?) are connected to the case, they should not be sharing their opinions with a member of the public. that job is reserved for their superiors.
If they are not involved in the case, then they know no more than you and I.

What you say Anna, equally applies to those officers and other staff involved in the SY investigation.

Officers connected to cases do talk to other people, and it would be naive to assume they don't, or that all police follow the 'official line' in this or other cases.

[pathfinder73]

Would you really expect them to say anything different?

  Yes I'm very pleased we haven't been brought in for questioning. I may even answer some this time if you are nice to me.  I will get the red carpet ready for your arrival

[Mr Gray]

What you say Anna, equally applies to those officers and other staff involved in the SY investigation.

Officers connected to cases do talk to other people, and it would be naive to assume they don't, or that all police follow the 'official line' in this or other cases.

no one thinks all police follow the official line...but it's the official line that matters

[Anna]

What you say Anna, equally applies to those officers and other staff involved in the SY investigation.

Officers connected to cases do talk to other people, and it would be naive to assume they don't, or that all police follow the 'official line' in this or other cases.

It applies to all officers involved in a case. Stephen.
Whether or not they discuss it with friends and family, as you say............Who knows?
If the Official line (as you call it). is not followed and it was discovered, they would risk disciplinary action.
Rules of the job!

[Mr Gray]

if all police talk off the record then as I have pointed out if the mccanns were under investigation some of stephens friends would have told us

[Brietta]

Madeleine McCann vanished from her bed on the 3rd May 2007. 

She hasn't been seen since. 

There is no evidence of parental involvement, despite aggressive investigation of them and their friends.

Therefore the absence of the child, is evidence of abduction. 

[stephen25000]

Madeleine McCann vanished from her bed on the 3rd May 2007. 

She hasn't been seen since. 

There is no evidence of parental involvement, despite aggressive investigation of them and their friends.

Therefore the absence of the child, is evidence of abduction.

A lack of evidence, as some often remind on here does not mean you can ignore accidental death, or that she might have left the apartment herself and disappeared.

As to 'aggressive investigation' , who by exactly, SY ?

[stephen25000]

It applies to all officers involved in a case. Stephen.
Whether or not they discuss it with friends and family, as you say............Who knows?
If the Official line (as you call it). is not followed and it was discovered, they would risk disciplinary action.
Rules of the job!

Is that like the officers who allegedly colluded in protecting those people in the police, parliament and elsewhere, in paedophile activities  ?

Have you watched the interviews with these officers who were told 'to look the other way' or risk losing their jobs, or worse ? (on sky)

[Anna]

Is that like the officers who allegedly colluded in protecting those people in the police, parliament and elsewhere, in paedophile activities  ?

Have you watched the interviews with these officers who were told 'to look the other way' or risk losing their jobs, or worse ? (on sky)

Are you comparing these people to your policemen friends, Stephen?

However, I am sure that you will agree, that this discussion, is now going Off the topic of the thread.

[stephen25000]

Are you comparing these people to your policemen friends, Stephen?

However, I am sure that you will agree, that this discussion, is now going Off the topic of the thread.

I was making an important point, that sometimes people will cover up the truth for various reasons.

Then we have the reverse, whistle-blowers.

I don't believe there were paedophiles involved in Madeleine's disappearance.

[mercury]

It sounds to me like DCI Redwood said (allowing for the Norman Collier bits in the video).
"There was an opportunity in time for an abduction to have taken place and if it did it would have been a criminal act by a stranger".

Any road oop DCI Redwood (ret'd) is now yesterday's man. Have there been any advances since April 2012 do we know ?

& @ Benice

Exactly Alice.
This is the short and tall of it.
Of course, preconceptions and assumptions colour understanding, sometimes...

[mercury]

it is not official...it is just a civil servants badly worded view...that is why it doesn't square with Redwood's view.
There is certainly evidence but not proof of abduction

 

Oh, OK, if you say so. You might like to reiterate this "evidence" to save me from reading the whole thread. Bullet points and a very short sentence for each piece are fine.