So what is the evidence for abduction?

[Mr Gray]

Simon's cat is much better and about as relevant to this thread.

I don't know why you object to cats being discussed there's much more about dogs and they aren't relevant either

[stephen25000]

According to their statements the drinking started before they left the apartment.  So by 10pm they must have been well oiled.

You must remember Angelo, Mccanns Law.

They were out 'dining'.

It must be true, it's always said on sky,the BBC and in the papers.

The mere idea they were drinking before and during the evenings, on the 3 rd May, and before, were mere fabrications by the 'sceptics'.

What do you think dave, was it all made up about the drinking ?

[Mr Gray]

You must remember Angelo, Mccanns Law.

They were out 'dining'.

It must be true, it's always said on sky,the BBC and in the papers.

The mere idea they were drinking before and during the evenings, on the 3 rd May, and before, were mere fabrications by the 'sceptics'.

What do you think dave, was it all made up about the drinking ?

there  is absolutely loads made up...including the 14 bottles story

[stephen25000]

there  is absolutely loads made up...including the 14 bottles story

No dave.

They were boozing each night.

I heard one night it was 13, not 14.

As to being under the influence, they certainly were, mind you they'd barely started on the evening of the 3 rd May 2007.

[Anna]

No dave.

They were boozing each night.

I heard one night it was 13, not 14.

As to being under the influence, they certainly were, mind you they'd barely started on the evening of the 3 rd May 2007.

On the day of the disappearance, all were seated at the table between 20H35 and 20H45. He remembers them arriving as usual. Had they arrived late, this would have been noted by the staff. He does not remember if they were served c ocktails. When they were all together, the group sat at the table, he took their orders, including the starters. As already mentioned, on this occasion, he would immediately take two white and two red bottles of wine and one bottle of water to the table. Their main courses would normally be ready 25 to 30 minutes after their order—a time they used to consume the starters. After starters, the group would normally spend about 15 minutes finishing the main course.

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post155193.html#p155193

[mercury]

Your claim:
''How that squares with DI Redwoods alledged claim that Madeleine was abducted by a stranger I have no idea (but he never actually said that exactly)''
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Quote from Andy Redwood

We have conducted a forensic analysis of the timelines and there is clearly opportunity there for Madeleine McCann to have been removed from that apartment alive.    And it is our belief as experienced investigators - on the evidence - that that is a criminal act that has been undertaken by a stranger.
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There are no 'ifs' or 'buts' to be seen in the above.      It's a clear statement by Andy Redwood which shows that your claim that he never actually said that - is incorrect.

Nope, you are wrong IMHO
You are reading what you want to read. The statement was not clear and direct, that is why he fumbled about.The fact remains that all he said was that there was an ooportunity for an abudction and that this would be a criminal act, pretty silly sounding of him to qualify it in that way as well.

[mercury]

Ah!  But Andy Redwood was (and probably still is!) "in it" ....

What a daft comment.

[Alfred R Jones]

Nope, you are wrong IMHO
You are reading what you want to read. The statement was not clear and direct, that is why he fumbled about.The fact remains that all he said was that there was an ooportunity for an abudction and that this would be a criminal act, pretty silly sounding of him to qualify it in that way as well.

which bit of " And it is our belief as experienced investigators - on the evidence - that that is a criminal act that has been undertaken by a stranger" is unclear in your view?

[Mr Gray]

What a daft comment.

Compared to some of the rubbish on here it's reasonably sensible

[mercury]

which bit of " And it is our belief as experienced investigators - on the evidence - that that is a criminal act that has been undertaken by a stranger" is unclear in your view?

It's not unclear, was is unclear is whether he said this is  his belief what actually happened to Madeleine. IOW all he said was that there was an opportunity for such an act.

[mercury]

Compared to some of the rubbish on here it's reasonably sensible

I am still awaiting your "evidence" for the "abduction"
Very curious that you have provided none in response to my request.

[Alfred R Jones]

It's not unclear, was is unclear is whether he said this is  his belief what actually happened to Madeleine. IOW all he said was that there was an opportunity for such an act.

So when he says that as an experienced investigator it's his belief that Madeleine was taken from the apartment in a criminal act by a stranger you don't think he actually meant it, is that what you believe? &%+((£

[Mr Gray]

which bit of " And it is our belief as experienced investigators - on the evidence - that that is a criminal act that has been undertaken by a stranger" is unclear in your view?

So here we have Redwood talking about a criminal act by a stranger.....based on the EVIDENCE

[mercury]

So when he says that as an experienced investigator it's his belief that Madeleine was taken from the apartment in a criminal act by a stranger you don't think he actually meant it, is that what you believe? &%+((£

But he never said that in so many words, did he? Why don't you watch the video again.

[mercury]

So here we have Redwood talking about a criminal act by a stranger.....based on the EVIDENCE

Nope, wrong again.

Have to go for a few hours, look forward to your "evidence of abduction" post when I return.