So what is the evidence for abduction?

[Alfred R Jones]

It doesn't matter what any of us think in the end. Some of us (not all) think we know what the police are thinking and doing. Some of us know they're unlikely to tell us. Since chatty DCI Redwood went they have maintained a dignified silence which I find encouraging. Using police statements as 'evidence' certainly doesn't count.

Encouraging in what sense?  If the next Met statement is along the lines of "we are closer to finding out who abducted Madeleine than ever before" will you take that as an encouraging sign or as evidence of a whitewash?

[G-Unit]

There's no point trying to identify the evidence for you because a) I don't have access to it all and b) you don't accept what we do know as evidence for abduction.   It matters not a jot what you will and won't accept though, as your views are of zero importance in this case.

A child disappearing is not evidence of an abduction by a stranger.

[G-Unit]

Encouraging in what sense?  If the next Met statement is along the lines of "we are closer to finding out who abducted Madeleine than ever before" will you take that as an encouraging sign or as evidence of a whitewash?

If? I try not to speculate, there's no point. We know of no evidence pointing to an abduction having taken place.

[jassi]

Encouraging in what sense?  If the next Met statement is along the lines of "we are closer to finding out who abducted Madeleine than ever before" will you take that as an encouraging sign or as evidence of a whitewash?

Being closer is of no use unless it leads to a result - a successful prosecution and conviction.

[Eleanor]

What is it then?

Are you suggesting that Operation Grange is In It?

[Alfred R Jones]

A child disappearing is not evidence of an abduction by a stranger. Your views are also of zero importance, so what point are you trying to make by saying that mine are? Pots and kettles.

Of course my views are of no importance to this case, I never thought for one moment they were, however Operation Grange's remit would seem to carry some weight in this argument and it states quite clearly that they are investigating an abduction.  Like it or lump it.

[stephen25000]

evidence for abduction is on two threads...why should anyone bother to go through the whole thing again with posters who simply will not accept the truth. Redwood has said SY are looking for a stranger abductor...he has said this live on tv...but posters still want to pretend it isn't true...you don't understand head injuries and fatal accidents and refuse to accept the truth. Keep on thinking anything you like..it doesn't matter. We all know what both SY and the Portuguese think and they are not investigating the McCanns

No there isn't.

Wishful thinking is no replacement for facts.

All you have is a belief and that's it.

[G-Unit]

Of course my views are of no importance to this case, I never thought for one moment they were, however Operation Grange's remit would seem to carry some weight in this argument and it states quite clearly that they are investigating an abduction.  Like it or lump it.

If that was their stated aim then they didn't 'take everything back to zero' did they? I wonder what the PJ are investigating?

[Benice]

Since no evidence has been revealed yet for either of the possibilities or beliefs you mention, the fact that it was felt necessary for the investigating team to refer to the possible removal of a corpse from the apartment seems to stand out.

I wonder what evidence there is to support the idea, otherwise why mention specifically a scenario in which Madeleine was possibly not alive when removed from the apartment?

I mean.......what`s behind the comment and why was it thought necessary to mention it in a case in which so little is actually forthcoming and wouldn`t it hinder the search for a living findable child coming from the present investigative team?

DCI Redwoods comment that Madeleine may not have been alive when she was removed from the apartment was said in relation to the assaults on other British children by an intruder.  SY appealed for anyone who had experience of this to come forward - and not to assume that because they had reported it to the GNR that SY had knowledge of it.

I've no doubt that those families who did report this crime were interviewed at length by SY -  and IMO it is from information gleaned during those interviews -  (particularly on how the intruder kept the children quiet during the assaults) which may have led to SY believing there was a possibility that Madeleine was no longer alive when she was removed from 5a.

[Brietta]

If? I try not to speculate, there's no point. We know of no evidence pointing to an abduction having taken place.

The denial of the assaults which were carried out on British children whose parents were sleeping in the next door bedroom is possibly a fair staring point for the denial that Madeleine may have been abducted.

It seems witness statements are not considered enough ... doesn't mean it didn't happen though.


 

[stephen25000]

The denial of the assaults which were carried out on British children whose parents were sleeping in the next door bedroom is possibly a fair staring point for the denial that Madeleine may have been abducted.

It seems witness statements are not considered enough ... doesn't mean it didn't happen though.


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That is your wish, for the events to be connected.


Now where is the evidence for that ?

[Alfred R Jones]

If that was their stated aim then they didn't 'take everything back to zero' did they? I wonder what the PJ are investigating?

How do you know what they did prior to drawing up the remit?

[Brietta]

They may be working in tandem and giving their full help and co-operation, but from what I have seen they are their own masters and the fact that their own independent investigation has pointed them towards abduction by stranger should speak volumes to anyone with an interest in finding out what happened to Madeleine McCann.

[Alice Purjorick]

Both The MPS and PJ refer to "a broad range of issues" or similar with respect to their investigations.
How do those statements reconcile with "they are only investigating an abduction"?
The latter being a narrowing down of the focus rather than opening up a broad range of issues.
Interesting.

[Eleanor]

Abduction is the only option as far as I can see.  Nothing else adds up.