So what is the evidence for abduction?

[mercury]

It is an adult method of carrying a young child, with minimal disturbance, lifted from a horizontal position (usually sleeping) with the intention of moving them to another place a short distance away & laying them down again.

Like not disturbing their sleep? Like manoeuvering through doors in an apartment, out of a front door, into the cold,down a long path, out through a car park, down the road and then some, and thenjust laying them down again. OK. But of course Madeleine was "drugged" as posters on here and Mrs Mccann assert is their belief, in which case, any abductor would not have chosen the "heavy load" option as opposed to carryng as you normally carry young children, on your shoulder.?

[G-Unit]

It is an adult method of carrying a young child, with minimal disturbance, lifted from a horizontal position (usually sleeping) with the intention of moving them to another place a short distance away & laying them down again.

if someone picked Madeleine up in that way, her head, not her feet, would have been facing Jane Tanner.

[Eleanor]

if someone picked Madeleine up in that way, her head, not her feet, would have been facing Jane Tanner.

So she was passed to someone else.

[G-Unit]

So she was passed to someone else.

Simple as that? Not through the window, it seems, so why?

[Mr Gray]

none of us know what evidence SY have...although some seem to think they do. Whatever their faukts and no police force is perfect they are the best bet to get justice for maddie and that's what we all should want

[Benice]

Simple as that? Not through the window, it seems, so why?

She could have been passed to someone standing in front of 5A but on the opposite side of the wall.  That would considerably shorten the distance to the car park exit for that person to have to cover.

However if the man JT saw was an innocent tourist - then it's irrelevant anyway.

[Eleanor]

Simple as that? Not through the window, it seems, so why?

I don't know if it was through the window or the front door, but the actual abduction will have been stressful for fear of being trapped in the appartment,  by someone checking, hence the open window.
The person on the outside won't have been quite so stressed, so better able to take off from there.

[Eleanor]

She could have been passed to someone standing in front of 5A but on the opposite side of the wall.  That would considerably shorten the distance to the car park exit for that person to have to cover.

However if the man JT saw was an innocent tourist - then it's irrelevant anyway.

This is a good point.  The wall that is.

[G-Unit]

none of us know what evidence SY have...although some seem to think they do. Whatever their faukts and no police force is perfect they are the best bet to get justice for maddie and that's what we all should want

I am not a fan of the McCanns but I respect them enough to always refer to their daughter as Madeleine, because Kate McCann says they never shortened her name. We don't know what evidence the police have, and any evidence which SY collect has to be presented to the Portuguese authorities who will then decide whether to act upon it or not. If they say no, SY can't do anything about it themselves unless it points to a British person committing a serious crime. They have no authority to arrest any Portuguese people.

I want justice for Madeleine, but I also want to be sure that the investigations reach the correct conclusions and arrest and charge the correct people. SY have failed to do this in some cases, as have the PJ, so I'm happy to have both police forces working on the case as that's the best way to arrive at the correct conclusions.

Whatever charge is finally brought is fine by me so long as the evidence is clear and stands up in court. I will be surprised if abduction is the charge, because there was no evidence of it at the time, but if the two police forces find it, fair enough.

[jassi]

I am not a fan of the McCanns but I respect them enough to always refer to their daughter as Madeleine, because Kate McCann says they never shortened her name. We don't know what evidence the police have, and any evidence which SY collect has to be presented to the Portuguese authorities who will then decide whether to act upon it or not. If they say no, SY can't do anything about it themselves unless it points to a British person committing a serious crime. They have no authority to arrest any Portuguese people.

I want justice for Madeleine, but I also want to be sure that the investigations reach the correct conclusions and arrest and charge the correct people. SY have failed to do this in some cases, as have the PJ, so I'm happy to have both police forces working on the case as that's the best way to arrive at the correct conclusions.

Whatever charge is finally brought is fine by me so long as the evidence is clear and stands up in court. I will be surprised if abduction is the charge, because there was no evidence of it at the time, but if the two police forces find it, fair enough.

 

[Brietta]

I am not a fan of the McCanns but I respect them enough to always refer to their daughter as Madeleine, because Kate McCann says they never shortened her name. We don't know what evidence the police have, and any evidence which SY collect has to be presented to the Portuguese authorities who will then decide whether to act upon it or not. If they say no, SY can't do anything about it themselves unless it points to a British person committing a serious crime. They have no authority to arrest any Portuguese people.

I want justice for Madeleine, but I also want to be sure that the investigations reach the correct conclusions and arrest and charge the correct people. SY have failed to do this in some cases, as have the PJ, so I'm happy to have both police forces working on the case as that's the best way to arrive at the correct conclusions.

Whatever charge is finally brought is fine by me so long as the evidence is clear and stands up in court. I will be surprised if abduction is the charge, because there was no evidence of it at the time, but if the two police forces find it, fair enough.

Not that it really matters ... but I believe it was Madeleine herself who wasn't keen on being called Maddie.


I think you can be certain the PJ and SY are already following the evidence, of which they have the full picture. 
Both have stated publicly they are looking for an abductor.
Both have stated publicly that her parents are not the focus of their investigation.

If that abductor is apprehended ... great.
If it leads to prosecutions under the law ... even better.
If it leads to Madeleine being found and returned to her family who have looked for her unceasingly over eight years ... better still.

[G-Unit]

Not that it really matters ... but I believe it was Madeleine herself who wasn't keen on being called Maddie.


I think you can be certain the PJ and SY are already following the evidence, of which they have the full picture. 
Both have stated publicly they are looking for an abductor.
Both have stated publicly that her parents are not the focus of their investigation.

If that abductor is apprehended ... great.
If it leads to prosecutions under the law ... even better.
If it leads to Madeleine being found and returned to her family who have looked for her unceasingly over eight years ... better still.

What the Portuguese authorities have said officially;

Judiciary Police press statement Polícia Judiciária


Similarly to what happens in all the cases of missing children, notwithstanding the formal archival of the investigation concerning her disappearance, and as was always publicly stated, the Judiciary Police continued to be attentive to any and all information likely to enable the understanding of the whereabouts of the minor Madeleine McCann, the circumstances in which her disappearance occurred and the identity of its author(s).

With that objective, the National Director of the Judiciary Police, in March 2011, assigned to a team of investigators from the North Directorate a task to re-examine the whole wide range of information contained in the inquest, with the aim to identify information whose further understanding could be revealed useful and possible.

That reanalysis task, which took place during the last two and a half years, helped identify new evidence, which by imposing further investigation, meet the requirements set by article 279º no 1 of the Code of Criminal Procedure for the reopening of the investigation.

The proposal was made in conformity to the Hon. Prosecutor in the district of Portimão, the same was granted.

October 24, 2013

[Mr Gray]

I am not a fan of the McCanns but I respect them enough to always refer to their daughter as Madeleine, because Kate McCann says they never shortened her name. We don't know what evidence the police have, and any evidence which SY collect has to be presented to the Portuguese authorities who will then decide whether to act upon it or not. If they say no, SY can't do anything about it themselves unless it points to a British person committing a serious crime. They have no authority to arrest any Portuguese people.

I want justice for Madeleine, but I also want to be sure that the investigations reach the correct conclusions and arrest and charge the correct people. SY have failed to do this in some cases, as have the PJ, so I'm happy to have both police forces working on the case as that's the best way to arrive at the correct conclusions.

Whatever charge is finally brought is fine by me so long as the evidence is clear and stands up in court. I will be surprised if abduction is the charge, because there was no evidence of it at the time, but if the two police forces find it, fair enough.

you have no respect for the mccanns or maddie and should not pretend you do

[Anna]

What the Portuguese authorities have said officially;

Judiciary Police press statement Polícia Judiciária


Similarly to what happens in all the cases of missing children, notwithstanding the formal archival of the investigation concerning her disappearance, and as was always publicly stated, the Judiciary Police continued to be attentive to any and all information likely to enable the understanding of the whereabouts of the minor Madeleine McCann, the circumstances in which her disappearance occurred and the identity of its author(s).

With that objective, the National Director of the Judiciary Police, in March 2011, assigned to a team of investigators from the North Directorate a task to re-examine the whole wide range of information contained in the inquest, with the aim to identify information whose further understanding could be revealed useful and possible.

That reanalysis task, which took place during the last two and a half years, helped identify new evidence, which by imposing further investigation, meet the requirements set by article 279º no 1 of the Code of Criminal Procedure for the reopening of the investigation.

The proposal was made in conformity to the Hon. Prosecutor in the district of Portimão, the same was granted.

October 24, 2013

Thank you G,
Just in case anyone is interested in reading more....I assume that this is the link to the above information? http://www.mccannfiles.com/id466.html

[G-Unit]

you have no respect for the mccanns or maddie and should not pretend you do

You know nothing about me davel, and never will. Your assumptions are mistaken, amusing and are not taken seriously.