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stephen25000

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Re: So what is the evidence for abduction?
« Reply #690 on: July 15, 2015, 10:44:14 AM »
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If you can't work out for yourself why they searched the apartment - there is no point in trying to explain it to you.

All you prove IMO is that you have no ability to put yourself in someone's else's shoes.

They were searching for her in case she was hiding. Wow, never thought of that.

Then came the story if abduction.

As to being in the mccanns shoes, NO THANKS.

I have never done what they did or even consider leaving children for extended periods by themselves.

They only have themselves to blame for that.

Offline sadie

Re: So what is the evidence for abduction?
« Reply #691 on: July 15, 2015, 12:43:52 PM »
They were searching for her in case she was hiding. Wow, never thought of that.

Then came the story if abduction.

As to being in the mccanns shoes, NO THANKS.

I have never done what they did or even consider leaving children for extended periods by themselves.

They only have themselves to blame for that.
If they have none before, people who have children usually develop empathy.

Do you have childrenn stephen?

Offline mercury

Re: So what is the evidence for abduction?
« Reply #692 on: July 15, 2015, 08:33:07 PM »
So IYO it was the  McCanns who failed in their duty to preserve the crime scene and cordon it off?   IMO that expectation of distraught parents is more than a tad unrealistic.

However, I'm glad to see elsewhere that you agree that evidence of an intruder(s)  which may have existed -  was destroyed and therefore to claim there was no evidence of an abduction is incorrect.    Just because no evidence was found doesn't mean it never existed.

I didn't say that did I? I was attempting to show that it is a falsehood to claim that the police and the police only were responsible for potential destruction of evidence. OK?

Offline Benice

Re: So what is the evidence for abduction?
« Reply #693 on: July 15, 2015, 10:01:22 PM »
My post:
So IYO it was the  McCanns who failed in their duty to preserve the crime scene and cordon it off?   IMO that expectation of distraught parents is more than a tad unrealistic.

However, I'm glad to see elsewhere that you agree that evidence of an intruder(s)  which may have existed -  was destroyed and therefore to claim there was no evidence of an abduction is incorrect.    Just because no evidence was found doesn't mean it never existed.

I didn't say that did I? I was attempting to show that it is a falsehood to claim that the police and the police only were responsible for potential destruction of evidence. OK?

This is what you said further back in this thread.

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Nope its correct, the Mccanns let in all and sundry in before the police were even called. Thus DESTROYING evidence.....FACT and said FACT was stated by the countrys state prosecutor
Your "snips" and machinations mean nothing much,,especially since they arebiased ergo totally worthless
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The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline mercury

Re: So what is the evidence for abduction?
« Reply #694 on: July 15, 2015, 10:05:27 PM »
Benice, not sure what your point is

As I said in my previous post, the police cant be blamed for all loss of any potential evidence


Offline Benice

Re: So what is the evidence for abduction?
« Reply #695 on: July 16, 2015, 12:27:54 AM »
Benice, not sure what your point is

As I said in my previous post, the police cant be blamed for all loss of any potential evidence

Neither can the McCanns who IMO behaved exactlly how one would expect any parents who found their child missing would behave.  They frantically searched the place, and so did other people who arrived.  That also was completely normal IMO.  On the other hand the police should have known better.

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline mercury

Re: So what is the evidence for abduction?
« Reply #696 on: July 16, 2015, 12:49:42 AM »
Neither can the McCanns who IMO behaved exactlly how one would expect any parents who found their child missing would behave.  They frantically searched the place, and so did other people who arrived.  That also was completely normal IMO.  On the other hand the police should have known better.

Your post means nothing, ie the mccanns and others contaminated the crime scene,end
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Offline Benice

Re: So what is the evidence for abduction?
« Reply #697 on: July 16, 2015, 01:05:53 AM »
Your post means nothing, ie the mccanns and others contaminated the crime scene,end
 of

So do you think it would have been normal behaviour for Kate and Gerry to immediately refuse entry to anyone - on the grounds that they would be contaminating  a crime scene?   Do you honestly believe that they were capable of making that decision having just discovered that one of their children was missing?    Surely not.



 
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline mercury

Re: So what is the evidence for abduction?
« Reply #698 on: July 16, 2015, 01:13:38 AM »
So do you think it would have been normal behaviour for Kate and Gerry to immediately refuse entry to anyone - on the grounds that they would be contaminating  a crime scene?   Do you honestly believe that they were capable of making that decision having just discovered that one of their children was missing?    Surely not.



 

Give it up benice....fact is they ccompromised the crine scene, end of

Offline Benice

Re: So what is the evidence for abduction?
« Reply #699 on: July 16, 2015, 01:26:31 AM »
Give it up benice....fact is they ccompromised the crine scene, end of

The fact is they behaved normally and in exactly the same way as any other parents would behave in the same situation.  If you can't see that then IMO you are simply proving that you have no ability  to identify with or understand another persons situation or feelings.    IOW like so many other  'sceptic's  - you have no empathy.


The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline pathfinder73

Re: So what is the evidence for abduction?
« Reply #700 on: July 16, 2015, 01:28:30 AM »
The fact is they behaved normally and in exactly the same way as any other parents would behave in the same situation.  If you can't see that then IMO you are simply proving that you have no ability  to identify with or understand another persons situation or feelings.    IOW like so many other  'sceptic's  - you have no empathy.

Rubbish Fiona wouldn't touch those shutters because she knew it was tampering with the crime scene.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline mercury

Re: So what is the evidence for abduction?
« Reply #701 on: July 16, 2015, 01:35:22 AM »
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The fact is they behaved normally and in exactly the same way as any other parents would behave in the same situation.  If you can't see that then IMO you are simply proving that you have no ability  to identify with or understand another persons situation or feelings.    IOW like so many other  'sceptic's  - you have no empathy.
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get  a serious grip instead of dissolvng all over the place, keep ears open ie mccanns trashed potential evidence get it? Good

Offline sadie

Re: So what is the evidence for abduction?
« Reply #702 on: July 16, 2015, 01:44:53 AM »
Give it up benice....fact is they ccompromised the crine scene, end of
mercury. 
Benice is being normal and thoughtful about the unlikelyhood of severely distraught parents even thinking about preserving the scene.

You dont seem to have any empathy or thoughts about what the sudden loss of Madeleine was likely to have done to them



How come that the professionals, the GNR, made no early attempts to preserve the cfrime scene?   And as we all now know, they actually contaminated it themselves
How about reserving a bit of indignation about thta mercury?

Offline Benice

Re: So what is the evidence for abduction?
« Reply #703 on: July 16, 2015, 01:54:00 AM »
get  a serious grip instead of dissolvng all over the place, keep ears open ie mccanns trashed potential evidence get it? Good

So can I take it that you don't believe the McCanns behaved normally and that other parents who thought  their child had been abducted would have immediately started behaving like policemen and not like terrified parents who had just been plunged into every parents worst nightmare.        Pull the other one.
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline sadie

Re: So what is the evidence for abduction?
« Reply #704 on: July 16, 2015, 02:01:58 AM »
Rubbish Fiona wouldn't touch those shutters because she knew it was tampering with the crime scene.
Fiona was NOT the Parent of a missing child.