Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories

[John]

I cannot add much more to Ian's concise response but I will add that AA is genuine and is who she says she is.  The bit that is missing though is that she is a 'former' girlfriend having exited the inner circle as many have been before her and have done so more recently like Giovanni di Stefano, Ewan Smith and the one and only Mike Teskowski have found to their cost.

There is a pattern here and one which in itself tells a tale.  Why does Jeremy Bamber suddenly drop those people who were once his most stalwart supporters?

Thanks for the info John. I think Bamber drops them like a hot potato once he feels they are no longer of any use to him. Typical psychopathic behaviour.
The authorities should have stepped in by now and put a stop to this kind of thing.

It should not be forgotten of course that Jeremy did the exacyt same thing with Julie not long after the killings when Brett Collins became favourable.  Leopard and spots comes to mind?

[starryian]

I cannot add much more to Ian's concise response but I will add that AA is genuine and is who she says she is.  The bit that is missing though is that she is a 'former' girlfriend having exited the inner circle as many have been before her and have done so more recently like Giovanni di Stefano, Ewan Smith and the one and only Mike Teskowski have found to their cost.

There is a pattern here and one which in itself tells a tale.  Why does Jeremy Bamber suddenly drop those people who were once his most stalwart supporters?

Thanks for the info John. I think Bamber drops them like a hot potato once he feels they are no longer of any use to him. Typical psychopathic behaviour.
The authorities should have stepped in by now and put a stop to this kind of thing.

It should not be forgotten of course that Jeremy did the exacyt same thing with Julie not long after the killings when Brett Collins became favourable.  Leopard and spots comes to mind?

Absolutely John,
Bamber dropped her as soon as the thought he'd got away with it. I believe he may have been with her in those last months before the murders solely to to make him look like he was in a stable relationship and was a 'decent person' Soon after the murders he started seeing other women.
As soon as he thought he had gotten away with it.........bye bye Julie. I would not put that past him.

[Joanne]

So, he never thought if he upset Julie (by dumping her), she wouldn't want the last word bearing in mind she'd tried to smother him when she found out he was sharing his love about!?

[starryian]

Anyone recognise someone like this?



Glibness/superficial charm
 Grandiose sense of self-worth
 Pathological lying
 Cunning/manipulative
 Lack of remorse or guilt
 Shallow affect (genuine emotion is short-lived and egocentric)
 Callousness; lack of empathy
 Failure to accept responsibility for own actions
 Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom
 Parasitic lifestyle
 Poor behavioral control
 Lack of realistic long-term goals
 Impulsivity
 Irresponsibility
 Juvenile delinquency



These are the key personality traits of a psychopath. Scientists have described them as 'intra-species predators'
While others have described them as intensely selfish individuals who are the centre of their own universe and who lack any form of humanity.

[Angelo222]

     Morning campers.....sorry make that after noon   

Been a bit tied up lately what with the Olympics et all.  I particularly like the beach volleyball down at the Admiralty if you know what I mean 

While I am up in town I was thinking about taking a stroll down to Troutbeck CAB office tomorrow to ask about crime prevention and whether it is tax deductible.  I do hope some kind person will be able to assist me.   

[starryian]

So, he never thought if he upset Julie (by dumping her), she wouldn't want the last word bearing in mind she'd tried to smother him when she found out he was sharing his love about!?

Yes Joanne,
He thought that he's got clean away with it and obviously saw no reason to keep Julie around. According to Julie, Bamber had made an indirect threat to her, warning her that she was 'as implicated as he was' In his infinite arrogance he believed that this would ensure her silence. He was very much mistaken.

[Angelo222]

So, he never thought if he upset Julie (by dumping her), she wouldn't want the last word bearing in mind she'd tried to smother him when she found out he was sharing his love about!?

Yes Joanne,
He thought that he's got clean away with it and obviously saw no reason to keep Julie around. According to Julie, Bamber had made an indirect threat to her, warning her that she was 'as implicated as he was' In his infinite arrogance he believed that this would ensure her silence. He was very much mistaken.

He certainly was.     

[goatboy]

It's not just that Bamber drops these people once they outlive their usefulness. Even when he does drop them there is no resentment or anger among the people he dumps. They are still every bit as supportive of him and passionate even though they have seen a nasty side to him, as if they are under some kind of spell. I read a little about Ted Bundy and though I wouldn't suggest Bamber's crimes were on a par I could see lots of similarities between them. Charismatic, charming and manipulative both of them. Both seemingly incapable of empathising with the victims of their crimes.

[Dillon]

I have often wonder about why some people think an obviously guilty Jeremy Bamber is 'innocent'
Of course I am a firm believer in freedom of speech and expression. Each to their own. However, I have yet to see a single scrap of credible evidence that shows this man is anything but guilty. Strip away the crap and the half-baked theories and you are left with little but wishful thinking, half-truths or nonsense based on yet more nonsense.
I have read the blue forum's arguments with great attention to detail and cannot for the life of me understand exactly why they have come to the conclusion that they have.
Most -if not all -of the arguments about his innocence are incredibly spurious, tentative, stretched fabrications or strained elements of the evidence designed to give the impression that he is innocent of a crime he clearly committed.
I have come to the conclusion that other elements are at play here. Some of them may bring the personal element, 'I just know he is innocent' nonsense. Or some may just enjoy the mental gymnastics in trying to prove something that doesn't exist - his innocence.  Whereas some are just too arrogant to ever admit they are wrong and will continue to go along with anything that salves their own egos - however ridiculous it may appear.
However, there is a final layer that I have given some thought to and it is very real. Using elements from some or all of the above, some supporters have unknowingly or otherwise built their beliefs on a complete fabrication.
For example one that I spoke with is actually adamant that Sheila walked around the house and 'was in conversation with someone' Or 'someone was seen in the window' This is despite there being absolutely no physical evidence whatsoever to back these statement up. This is what first led them to believe that Bamber was innocent and have based their entire campaign from that start point. Therefore, there whole philosophy surrounding Bamber was built upon a total lie or misconception.
Moreover the saturation of the internet by Tesko and his cronies have led many to come to the wrong conclusions without delving too deeply into the case. Take his videos on youtube for example; most, if not all of them, are easily disproved and are complete nonsense which are predominantely based upon a lie of his own making. But at first glance and judging by the comments left by viewers you wouldn't be blamed for thinking him wholly innocent.
The saturation of the internet may or may not be apart of a strategy to confuse the public. To prove this all you need to do it to type Bambers' name into Google and see what happens - the first thing you notice is that virtually all the entries centre around his 'innocence' A researcher will he hard-pushed to find articles relating to his guilt.
It is on these points that we need to focus and educate the public to what is really going on _ a very cunning and manipulative psychopath and a few cronies have carefully and deliberately set out their stall.

My advice - don't buy from it. 

Ian, you make some valid points - well executed.

However, there are also one or two other people, like me, who have known Jeremy for a very long time......and have sat for many hours during visits, questioning him whilst at the same time taking note of his body language.

I gave up trying to convince people of his innocence years ago.  The information I worked with was 'old' information.  All this new stuff is beyond me, however, I would like to state that Jeremy told me almost 20 years ago now exactly what happened that night as far as he was aware.  Hardly anything he told me was available in statements to support his story.  However, I repeat, almost 20 years later these documents have appeared/come to light, and they support fully everything Jeremy told me.

In saying this I would also like to add that there was much that he did not know, for example his father's phone call to the police station being just one thing.  Much about the silencer was unknown too.

Jeremy and I spent 'years' trawling through 'old' documents, trying to piece together the events of that night.  Jeremy told me his side of events (which did not fit in with the old documentation as he refuted much of it), and our combined efforts at solving this crime continued to baffle us for years.  Jeremy was as perplexed as I was!!

Knowing Jeremy very well, I do feel that had he committed these crimes, or was involved in any way at all, I genuinely feel he would have directed my attentions somewhere else, so support his innocence.  Without question, I honestly do believe he had nothing whatsoever to do with the terrible events of that night.

A lot of what has been posted in the media and copied here, is incorrect or has been taken out of context, therefore, to begin to judge him on his reactions after that terrible night is wrong.

I would like to add that Jeremy does lie......but not that much.  However, I could tell when Jeremy was lying to me over the phone.....for all that you may believe, he is not that good a liar!!

I have seen a few of Aunt Agatha's posts on the blue forum and she does come over as a dignified, sincere and kind person. So, regardless of her views on Jeremy's innocence, I hope that that she has had fulfilling relationships and happiness. It is all very sad and poignant .
I am sorry that she has been rejected by Jeremy.   

[starryian]

It's not just that Bamber drops these people once they outlive their usefulness. Even when he does drop them there is no resentment or anger among the people he dumps. They are still every bit as supportive of him and passionate even though they have seen a nasty side to him, as if they are under some kind of spell. I read a little about Ted Bundy and though I wouldn't suggest Bamber's crimes were on a par I could see lots of similarities between them. Charismatic, charming and manipulative both of them. Both seemingly incapable of empathising with the victims of their crimes.

An excellent point Goatboy,
Yes there are remarkable similarities between Ted Bundy's manipulative and charismatic persona and that of Bamber. Both were primary psychopaths adept at getting others to do their bidding. Psychopaths learn very early which buttons to push, which to nurse and which to exploit. It is a game to them. When speaking to others they secretly discover their weak points, their fears and insecurities. It is this which they willlater exploit. Someone that is weak - they wil suggest they will protect; someone who is unsure about their appearence - they will flatter; someone who has doubts about their intelligence; they will praise for their ingenuity. People who lack social status they will show them a good time and how great it is to be in their company. Equally so, these are the very qualities that they will then turn against them, if and when necessary.
It is hardly surprising then that people are drawn to these individuals and will keep supporting them long after they have dispensed with them.
This is part of what makes a psychopath so successful and I do feel very sorry for those that are caught up in their web. However, it is not all gloom and doom. The psychopath has been exposed and we are learning new and sophisticated ways to spot them and their methods before they cause untold damage. Their methods are often predictable and therefore detectable.
There are now psychologists which can be called in who are specially trained to spot corporate psychopaths which have previously ridden roughshod over workmates and caused untold damage to both the company and the other employees. Jeremy Bamber is one such psychopath. He has no feelings one way or the other about using other people to do his bidding. When they are no longer of any use to him, they are duly discarded.
I urge people that have any form of contact with him or his ilk, to exercise extreme caution.

[Joanne]

I don't even think it's a game, it's a way of life!

[Angelo222]

It's not just that Bamber drops these people once they outlive their usefulness. Even when he does drop them there is no resentment or anger among the people he dumps. They are still every bit as supportive of him and passionate even though they have seen a nasty side to him, as if they are under some kind of spell. I read a little about Ted Bundy and though I wouldn't suggest Bamber's crimes were on a par I could see lots of similarities between them. Charismatic, charming and manipulative both of them. Both seemingly incapable of empathising with the victims of their crimes.

An excellent point Goatboy,
Yes there are remarkable similarities between Ted Bundy's manipulative and charismatic persona and that of Bamber. Both were primary psychopaths adept at getting others to do their bidding. Psychopaths learn very early which buttons to push, which to nurse and which to exploit. It is a game to them. When speaking to others they secretly discover their weak points, their fears and insecurities. It is this which they willlater exploit. Someone that is weak - they wil suggest they will protect; someone who is unsure about their appearence - they will flatter; someone who has doubts about their intelligence; they will praise for their ingenuity. People who lack social status they will show them a good time and how great it is to be in their company. Equally so, these are the very qualities that they will then turn against them, if and when necessary.
It is hardly surprising then that people are drawn to these individuals and will keep supporting them long after they have dispensed with them.
This is part of what makes a psychopath so successful and I do feel very sorry for those that are caught up in their web. However, it is not all gloom and doom. The psychopath has been exposed and we are learning new and sophisticated ways to spot them and their methods before they cause untold damage. Their methods are often predictable and therefore detectable.
There are now psychologists which can be called in who are specially trained to spot corporate psychopaths which have previously ridden roughshod over workmates and caused untold damage to both the company and the other employees. Jeremy Bamber is one such psychopath. He has no feelings one way or the other about using other people to do his bidding. When they are no longer of any use to him, they are duly discarded.
I urge people that have any form of contact with him or his ilk, to exercise extreme caution.

I have seen that comment about being extremely cautious with such people and it is very valid in Bambers case.  He manipulates everyone he comes into contact with and grooms them to his way of thinking.  It is like a subtle form of mind control. 

It is worth remembering that Jeremy Bamber's real father referred to him as a psychopath after his trial.  It must be difficult for his real parents and siblings knowing that they are related to such an infamous person.

[Aunt Agatha]

I note with interest your views, beliefs and understandings regarding the relationship between Jeremy and myself.

I would like to add that our 'friendship' ended solely due to the lies and self seeking antics of Tracy Brazier from the Innocent Group.   Her behaviour I found to be unsettling and most disturbing - I found myself on unfamiliar territory when having to defend myself against her lies in order to discredit me in the eyes of Jeremy and the Campaign.

Jeremy chose to question me regarding the false accusations made against me and when I felt him lying to me down the phone I chose to walk away from him.  He did not drop me - I dropped him!!

He was someone for whom I strongly believed was wrongly imprisoned, he was alone and the nation had turned their back on this 'child killer'.  I did what I could at the time, for many years, but I should honestly add it is nothing compared to what others have done recently using the web and new technology.

When our 'friendship' ended I was deeply saddened......and I was concerned for his own well being having become more aware of the 'new' people surrounding him.  Liars, self seeking and deluded bamberettes and clever manipulators.....but I could do nothing more to help him.  Whenever I informed him of 'their' antics he tried to assure me he knew exactly what these people were like and described alot of them just as I have here.

However, after almost 20 years of befriending this man, it came as somewhat of a relief to let others take over.  I felt responsible for him for many years and it was a weight lifted the day we parted.  Today, I only hope that those around him stay, as I did, when all else is lost.

I hold no resentment against Jeremy and will not attempt to make him out to be someone he is not.  I don't feel it necessary to post his letters, our photo's etc......it was a strange relationship at the time, as he was in prison, but during our time together he was a most decent and respectable man.

I have come to believe and understand that Jeremy makes decisions based solely upon the information he receives from other in the outside world.  If the information he receives comes from somebody who dislikes me or feels threatened by my position, then the information about me will be most negative. And, if that person can have Group members support her lies, by also writing to Jeremy, then I don't stand a chance.  I refused to play the game and walked away.  Quite happily.

Should he ever be released, then he will have to come and see me as I still hold his most valuable possessions from his family.....and his own.  The truth comes out in the end.....one may just have to wait many years, but I'm in no rush at all!

I hope this gives some insight into those 20 years and gives answers to questions so far unanswered.

[puglove]

I note with interest your views, beliefs and understandings regarding the relationship between Jeremy and myself.

I would like to add that our 'friendship' ended solely due to the lies and self seeking antics of Tracy Brazier from the Innocent Group.   Her behaviour I found to be unsettling and most disturbing - I found myself on unfamiliar territory when having to defend myself against her lies in order to discredit me in the eyes of Jeremy and the Campaign.

Jeremy chose to question me regarding the false accusations made against me and when I felt him lying to me down the phone I chose to walk away from him.  He did not drop me - I dropped him!!

He was someone for whom I strongly believed was wrongly imprisoned, he was alone and the nation had turned their back on this 'child killer'.  I did what I could at the time, for many years, but I should honestly add it is nothing compared to what others have done recently using the web and new technology.

When our 'friendship' ended I was deeply saddened......and I was concerned for his own well being having become more aware of the 'new' people surrounding him.  Liars, self seeking and deluded bamberettes and clever manipulators.....but I could do nothing more to help him.  Whenever I informed him of 'their' antics he tried to assure me he knew exactly what these people were like and described alot of them just as I have here.

However, after almost 20 years of befriending this man, it came as somewhat of a relief to let others take over.  I felt responsible for him for many years and it was a weight lifted the day we parted.  Today, I only hope that those around him stay, as I did, when all else is lost.

I hold no resentment against Jeremy and will not attempt to make him out to be someone he is not.  I don't feel it necessary to post his letters, our photo's etc......it was a strange relationship at the time, as he was in prison, but during our time together he was a most decent and respectable man.

I have come to believe and understand that Jeremy makes decisions based solely upon the information he receives from other in the outside world.  If the information he receives comes from somebody who dislikes me or feels threatened by my position, then the information about me will be most negative. And, if that person can have Group members support her lies, by also writing to Jeremy, then I don't stand a chance.  I refused to play the game and walked away.  Quite happily.

Should he ever be released, then he will have to come and see me as I still hold his most valuable possessions from his family.....and his own.  The truth comes out in the end.....one may just have to wait many years, but I'm in no rush at all!

I hope this gives some insight into those 20 years and gives answers to questions so far unanswered.

It says much about Bamber that he could be influenced by the common dollop "Tramp Juice Trace".

He has the supporters he deserves, criminals and misfits.

[starryian]

I note with interest your views, beliefs and understandings regarding the relationship between Jeremy and myself.

I would like to add that our 'friendship' ended solely due to the lies and self seeking antics of Tracy Brazier from the Innocent Group.   Her behaviour I found to be unsettling and most disturbing - I found myself on unfamiliar territory when having to defend myself against her lies in order to discredit me in the eyes of Jeremy and the Campaign.

Jeremy chose to question me regarding the false accusations made against me and when I felt him lying to me down the phone I chose to walk away from him.  He did not drop me - I dropped him!!

He was someone for whom I strongly believed was wrongly imprisoned, he was alone and the nation had turned their back on this 'child killer'.  I did what I could at the time, for many years, but I should honestly add it is nothing compared to what others have done recently using the web and new technology.

When our 'friendship' ended I was deeply saddened......and I was concerned for his own well being having become more aware of the 'new' people surrounding him.  Liars, self seeking and deluded bamberettes and clever manipulators.....but I could do nothing more to help him.  Whenever I informed him of 'their' antics he tried to assure me he knew exactly what these people were like and described alot of them just as I have here.

However, after almost 20 years of befriending this man, it came as somewhat of a relief to let others take over.  I felt responsible for him for many years and it was a weight lifted the day we parted.  Today, I only hope that those around him stay, as I did, when all else is lost.

I hold no resentment against Jeremy and will not attempt to make him out to be someone he is not.  I don't feel it necessary to post his letters, our photo's etc......it was a strange relationship at the time, as he was in prison, but during our time together he was a most decent and respectable man.

I have come to believe and understand that Jeremy makes decisions based solely upon the information he receives from other in the outside world.  If the information he receives comes from somebody who dislikes me or feels threatened by my position, then the information about me will be most negative. And, if that person can have Group members support her lies, by also writing to Jeremy, then I don't stand a chance.  I refused to play the game and walked away.  Quite happily.

Should he ever be released, then he will have to come and see me as I still hold his most valuable possessions from his family.....and his own.  The truth comes out in the end.....one may just have to wait many years, but I'm in no rush at all!

I hope this gives some insight into those 20 years and gives answers to questions so far unanswered.

Thank you kindly for that Aunt Agatha,
You are obviously a very decent woman and you have moral scruples, more than I can say many others who know Bamber actually posess. But you see AA that the evidence excludes Sheila being the culprit. This cannot be ignored or got around. Jeremy Bamber is the ONLY person that could have murdered the family. Whether you choose to believe that is up to you and I respect your views. I know from experience that when we think we know someone so well as to belive they are not capable of certain things, it gives us a kind of warm security. But we must also take on board the fact that we do not walk in that person's shoes. We will never know what Bamber was thinking.
As you know, I believe him to be guilty as do many others. I base that on the evidence which I have read and interpreted. So too did the court and later the appeal court (twice) and the CCRC. AA there is only so much we can ignore when it comes to supporting someone before the there can be no alternative explanation. One is faced with one immutable fact - his guilt. One too many inconsistencies, ceases to become an inconsistency.
Take for example the simple fact; A man that hated his family (there is overwhelming evidence to prove this) a man that spoke of killing his family (there is also evidence of this also) and some weeks later they are all dead. Shot in very suspicious circumstances. The person that made the threats is the only one still alive.............that AA is a no-brainer. This is just for starters.
I do hope that you find a person worthy of your dedication. There are many Miscarriages of Justice out there that really need the help of someone as dedicated and as committed as you. The case of Jeremy Bamber, I would urge, is not one of them.