Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories

[frank50]

We all react to grief in different ways no doubt.  However, no remotely sane person would react to the murder of all his family in cold blood ( including two little boys) in the way that Bamber did. The housekeeper said that he was wandering around the farmhouse days after the murder as if nothing had happened. He then went off on holiday and was seen drinking and splashing cash.  A genuinely grieving relative simply wouldnt react that way - the crimes were too serious and shocking. His post-murder behaviour was his downfall and the main reason why the Court of Appeal (if the case ever gets there again which I doubt) will never free him. They deal with miscarriages cases all the time and are extremelly experienced. I am sure they will have a gut feling about this one as the previous Court of Appeal did ten years ago.

[John]

They describe on the otber forum as gurning! Tardive dyskinesia isnt like gurning!

Its basically involuntary muscle spasms due to taking large amounts of anti psychotics over a long period of time.  Sheila was given procyclidine to combat the effects of haloperidol, but i suspect that would have counteracted the drowsiness. There is no cure for tardive dyskinesia.

Also, where did this cuckoo thing come from? That isnt documented either!

Andrea, I found this. I hope this explains this disorder.
 Regardless of the variety of the disease, tardive dyskinesia is characterized by sudden, uncontrollable movements of voluntary muscle groups. Signs of classic tardive dyskinesia normally consist of coordinated, constant movements of the mouth, tongue, jaw and cheeks. The patient may move their jaw laterally or up and down, as if chewing. The tongue may suddenly protrude or move about in a squirming, twisting manner. Repeated lip smacking and puffing of the cheeks may also be present. Severity of the condition is indicated by the frequency of these movements or spasms. In extreme cases, the tongue may move well over 60 times a minute.

In some cases, tardive dyskinesia patients may experience movement in the limbs and digits. Interestingly, these involuntary movements are more pronounced when the patient attempts to relax. Any emotional arousal or agitation tends to cause these movements to decrease. Symptoms may disappear completely when the patient is asleep.
Andrea I fail to see the link between this disorder and the murders? Are they trying to suggest that these involuntary muscle spasms could have been reponsible or partly reponsible for Sheila's supposed rampage?
I think the blue forum are absolutely dredging the bottom of the barrel. Tesko must be really desparate. I have read many documents pertaining to Sheila and her condition and not once was this disorder ever mentioned.

I believe this condition is more likely to happen in older people than in a young woman like Sheila.  Ian, is correct, Tesko and his cronies are dredging the bottom of the sea for the scraps that are left in this sorry story.

Discrediting Sheila is all that is left to them.

Does anyone know if the Laws that currently pertain to libel extend to the dead in some form or manner? 

[Sandy]

"Police were in conversation with someone inside the farm" - debunked.

Shortly before 05.25, a challenge was issued using a loudhailer to anyone inside the property.
The wireless operator pre-empted events and recorded “Firearms team are in conversation with a person inside the farm”. However, the call to persons inside met only with silence. The wireless operator updated the log at 05.29 – “From CA7 – Challenge to persons inside house met with no response”

For all Bamber supporters please note the last four words 'met with no response' Something that is noticably absent from all your windy rhetoric and fanciful theories on this particular topic. 8-)(--)

it is all fanciful wishful thinking but then again why are we surprised?   

[John]

Ian, I look forward to reading more of your excellent posts.

Hi Sika, what are your views on the case?

Hello Andrea, I find it very difficult to understand how anyone could believe in Jeremy. I have read through all the arguments raised by his supporters and can find absolutely nothing that points to his innocence.

Still, after 27 years of Working on his defence, Bamber is still unable to offer up a plausible explanation to demonstrate his innocence. 

Despite Bamber clouding some of the issues in this case (silencer, phone calls etc), the hard facts are still just that.  HARD FACTS! 

On the 'blue forum' people seem to have disregarded common sense, when I suggested this to them I was labelled as a moron and a troll.  I closed my account a while ago but do have a look quite regularly, just for a cheap laugh, certainly not for informed debate.  I used to ask specific questions like, why was Shelia unmarked? If she did shower, where are the clothes she wore at the time of the murders?  Nobody seemed willing to discuss such matters.

Bamber must be devastated that that forum exists.  Tesko is nothing more than a bitter and twisted, self serving, attention seeker.

Well, as far as I can make out, the CCRC have bent over backwards to appease Bamber and his team.  He has been afforded the privilege of having his case reviewed over and over again.  He is guilty, end of!

You only have to look at the hierarchy of the blue forum to understand what is going on there. Career criminals, career activists, saddos.....   

[John]

We all react to grief in different ways no doubt.  However, no remotely sane person would react to the murder of all his family in cold blood ( including two little boys) in the way that Bamber did. The housekeeper said that he was wandering around the farmhouse days after the murder as if nothing had happened. He then went off on holiday and was seen drinking and splashing cash.  A genuinely grieving relative simply wouldnt react that way - the crimes were too serious and shocking. His post-murder behaviour was his downfall and the main reason why the Court of Appeal (if the case ever gets there again which I doubt) will never free him. They deal with miscarriages cases all the time and are extremelly experienced. I am sure they will have a gut feling about this one as the previous Court of Appeal did ten years ago.

Good to hear from you again Frank.  You are quite correct in what you post, the Court of Appeal is only concerned with one question and that is if there is a real possibility that there has been a miscarriage.  They will look at the whole scenario as we have done and weigh up everything in their own minds.

I don't think that there is a hope in hell that he will ever be released on any technicality but a release on compassionate grounds may be considered if he were to admit to his guilt.

[goatboy]

If Tesko did possess 'that' photograph, he would know for sure that Jeremy couldn't have committed the murders.  So why, when armed with this vital piece of evidence does Tesko continue to post all these other wild theories?  Show everyone the photo and it's all over! 

The man is an absolute joke.  Why does anyone waste their time conversing with this prat?  His latest thread invites questions from members, to which he will reply yes or no.  Now, if that's not a desperate appeal for attention, I don't know what is!

This amused me as well. I would like to ask him "have you ever told a lie on this forum?".

[puglove]

If Tesko did possess 'that' photograph, he would know for sure that Jeremy couldn't have committed the murders.  So why, when armed with this vital piece of evidence does Tesko continue to post all these other wild theories?  Show everyone the photo and it's all over! 

The man is an absolute joke.  Why does anyone waste their time conversing with this prat?  His latest thread invites questions from members, to which he will reply yes or no.  Now, if that's not a desperate appeal for attention, I don't know what is!

This amused me as well. I would like to ask him "have you ever told a lie on this forum?".

I'd like to ask....

Do you believe that Sheila was lying on the kitchen floor, with a wound in her throat, then moved upstairs to the bedroom?

Do you believe that Ralph was the twins' father?

Have you been in possession of at least 3 copies of the image of Sheila on the bed?

Will you ever provide proof that Ralph made a phone call?

Have you ever been tempted to claim JB's reward?

Have you informed the McCanns that Maddie speaks to you?

[ActualMat]

Will you ever provide proof that Ralph made a phone call?

Have you ever been tempted to claim JB's reward?



These are good questions, Shona. I shall ask them for toy.

[Andrea]

Oh yes, i keep forgetting about jb's million pound reward. Where would the money have come from?

[ActualMat]

Compensation/money he intends on earning from book rights etc when he is released.

[puglove]

Will you ever provide proof that Ralph made a phone call?

Have you ever been tempted to claim JB's reward?



These are good questions, Shona. I shall ask them for toy.

Cheers, Mat!! You could perhaps also ask....

Has JB ever considered a hunger strike?

Do you believe that June used a gun that night?

Do you know who placed Ralph's body, and put his head in a coal scuttle?

[Andrea]

Compensation/money he intends on earning from book rights etc when he is released.

Theres a bit of a snag though, mat. JB isnt getting released!

[Andrea]

Shona!! hows you this eve? 

[ActualMat]

Compensation/money he intends on earning from book rights etc when he is released.

Theres a bit of a snag though, mat. JB isnt getting released!

Haha, Well obviously. :)

[puglove]

Shona!! hows you this eve? 

Jelly!! Good, ta. Busy day, chilling now!! How's Scarlet getting on?