Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories

[abs]

I do realize that it has to be either Sheila or Jeremy. Jeremy MIGHT have painted himself into a corner with that phonecall.

I think that Sheila was more ill than people here generally think. I think it is highly disturbing that a mother says that her children are the devil´s children and that they are capable of having sex with her. In my min that raises red flags galore!
There are so many things that make me think that Sheila could have done it. She was up that night - her bed was not properly slept in, she had eaten. It indicates some restlessness. I am not sure it would have been good for Sheila to be alone with her thoughts with everyone else asleep.
Of course a lot more, but I don´t want to write a novel.

[Andrea]

Sheila just doesnt look like she caused all that carnage. Not a mark on her, there would have been some tell tale signs that she was involved, abs.

[abs]

Sheila just doesnt look like she caused all that carnage. Not a mark on her, there would have been some tell tale signs that she was involved, abs.

Maybe. Were there any marks on Jeremy?

I think this has nothing to do with that night, but Sheila had a gouged wound on her stomach. I don´t know that much about it, does anyone?

[Andrea]

The mark on her stomach was described as a graze, abs.
I believe bamber would have worn gloves, well it would have been common sense i suppose.

He would have been fully clothed, abs. All sheila had on was a flimsy short sleeved nightie.
The police did say he was over dressed for the time of year. a few layers of clothing. if he recieved that call from ralph, why did he take the time to put several layers on?

I would have slung on what would have been quickest, not arsed around putting several layers on.

[abs]

I have never had a graze (which can be large - or small, we don´t know in this case. My guess is rather large, since it was gouged) on my stomach - that doesn´t prove anything, I know; and the fact that Jeremy wore layers of clothes doesn´t prove anything either.

[Andrea]

No, it doesnt, but why did he take the time to put several layers on? i believe he had several layers on when he carried out the killings, less chance of him being marked that way. IMO

[abs]

No, it doesnt, but why did he take the time to put several layers on? i believe he had several layers on when he carried out the killings, less chance of him being marked that way. IMO

So you think he risked wearing the same clothes to go to WHF for the second time? Or do you mean that he changed into several layers twice?

I guess it sounds perfectly normal to me to wear several layers of clothes, since I do that myself a lot - get cold easily.
It could also have been to stretch the time. People see it as sinister that he drove his car slowly to WHF. I think he was scared to go there alone  who wouldn´t be?! - That is, if he´s innocent.

[cathythe sceptic]

For me,Dillon's earlier post re Sheila's mental health issues seems to put to bed all the fantastical tales of her rampaging psychosis,her tardive dyskensia,gurning,strength of an ox/10 men,et al as peddled by the pro-bamber bods.I really think that those who are so quick on there to purport to be so deeply traumatised by the so called 'vile posts' on here should stop and have a long think about the hideous,unsubstantiated claims they have made about a vulnerable woman,who was murdered and whose children were murdered

on another issue  --  I have always wondered why,if Sheila beat Neville into submission in the kitchen with the wooden handle of the gun,which she could only have done by firmly gripping the barrell end,why there were no finger prints on this part of the gun,as well as the trigger from when she shot everybody?Were gloves found that Sheila had been wearing.Surely the lack of finger prints from S is inexplicable,whereas easily explained in JB's case -- he was wearing gloves

[Andrea]

He could have removed the top layer abs. His house wasnt searched until over a month after the murders, he had plenty of time to get rid of any incriminating evidence. he could have been wearing several layers at the time of the murders, or he could have put several layers on before he set off for whf, after he had called the police.

But sheila only had a flimsy nightie on, had she been responsible there would have been marks on her abs, or at least someone elses blood, there were neither.

[Myster]

It could have been a hot August night abs.

Many people sleep on top of the bed, or underneath the top cover, but that doesn't make them restless. 

[abs]

For me,Dillon's earlier post re Sheila's mental health issues seems to put to bed all the fantastical tales of her rampaging psychosis,her tardive dyskensia,gurning,strength of an ox/10 men,et al as peddled by the pro-bamber bods.I really think that those who are so quick on there to purport to be so deeply traumatised by the so called 'vile posts' on here should stop and have a long think about the hideous,unsubstantiated claims they have made about a vulnerable woman,who was murdered and whose children were murdered

on another issue  --  I have always wondered why,if Sheila beat Neville into submission in the kitchen with the wooden handle of the gun,which she could only have done by firmly gripping the barrell end,why there were no finger prints on this part of the gun,as well as the trigger from when she shot everybody?Were gloves found that Sheila had been wearing.Surely the lack of finger prints from S is inexplicable,whereas easily explained in JB's case -- he was wearing gloves

As far as I remember, there was one fingerprint from Jeremy and one from Sheila - and none else??? I think the firearm had been shifted around so much by police officers that the fingerfrint evidence was destroyed. Like so much else in this case.

[abs]

It could have been a hot August night abs.

Many people sleep on top of the bed, or underneath the top cover, but that doesn't make them restless. 

As far as I can tell, it is all speculation - from both sides.

[Andrea]

It is abs, but some speculation is more plausible than others.

Not long now, abs!! for the football. Jeez i havent stopped banging on about it today.

[Myster]

Didn't he say to Julie Mugford that he was worried that a glove or gloves the hitman wore might have come off in the kitchen confrontation and that her fingerprints might have been brushed off.

[cathythe sceptic]

Totally agree   --  some speculation is infinitely more plausible than others!

I don't think Sheila's fingerprints were somehow 'lost',I don't think they were there in the first place