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cathythe sceptic

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Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #180 on: June 24, 2012, 08:49:00 PM »
oops sorry  --didn't realise that you had left of your own accord  I'm not massively surprised,altho' there are some lovely people on there,one or two seem to go absolutely ballistic if you even dare to question some of their more outlandish theories,and all this accusing people of being trolls or of being Ann Eatonis very depressing -- I wouldn't be able to put up with it,so I have never posted there,even when I used to think it was possible/probable that JBwas innocent

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Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #181 on: June 24, 2012, 08:55:13 PM »
What I, in particular, couldn´t take was that people´s personal information or PMs were not respected as personal, but spread all over the place. That, and then all the lies about the case. I am not an idiot!

Now you mention it, I haven´t had the honour of being accused of being Ann Eaton! What did I do wrong?! LOL

cathythe sceptic

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Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #182 on: June 24, 2012, 09:11:20 PM »
Yes,all the lies and the massive teetering construction of mutually incompatible 'facts',along with the insults to,and vilification of highly intelligent and very respectful posters whose only crime was to politely ask for evidence to support some of Mike's and others claims made me completely change my mind about JB's innocence and I am now utterly convinced of his guilt.I am not the only one to switch opinions in this way --I was 30 at the time of the crimes and I can't think of a single contemporary of mine who still thinks he is innocent.This is despite the fact that nearly everybody i'm friends with is hugely sceptical of the police and the criminal justice system in this country.

There are a shameful number of MOJs in the UK as opposed to say,France,where they are unheard of BUT JB ain't one of them IMO

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Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #183 on: June 24, 2012, 09:16:14 PM »
I do realize that it has to be either Sheila or Jeremy. Jeremy MIGHT have painted himself into a corner with that phonecall.

I think that Sheila was more ill than people here generally think. I think it is highly disturbing that a mother says that her children are the devil´s children and that they are capable of having sex with her. In my min that raises red flags galore!
There are so many things that make me think that Sheila could have done it. She was up that night - her bed was not properly slept in, she had eaten. It indicates some restlessness. I am not sure it would have been good for Sheila to be alone with her thoughts with everyone else asleep.
Of course a lot more, but I don´t want to write a novel.

Where is the blood spatter on Sheila and her clothing abs.  Where is the glass on her feet or shoes from the smashed light shade in the kitchen?  Where are her wounds from fighting with Nevill abs...not even a single fingernail out of place?? 

How does someone with little firearms experience load and fire a rifle 22 times abs without leaving some traces on her or the rifle?   How did she manage to fire and hit her target nearly every time?

FACT> When Nevill reached the kitchen we know he had been shot several times in the face and shoulder.  How was he able to reach the phone, dial Jeremy and speak to him with blood running out of him and virtually unable to speak?

No blood on the kitchen floor or the telephone belonging to Nevill abs...no blood at all on the phone or anywhere near it?

Why did he not scream at jeremy that he had been shot?  Could it be because this was just a lie?

You have to look at the evidence abs which is there and not blank this out because of some empathy with a killer.  Sheila may have been ill but she was superwoman or the invisible woman...follow the evidence!
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Cleaver boy

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Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #184 on: June 24, 2012, 09:16:52 PM »
Yes,all the lies and the massive teetering construction of mutually incompatible 'facts',along with the insults to,and vilification of highly intelligent and very respectful posters whose only crime was to politely ask for evidence to support some of Mike's and others claims made me completely change my mind about JB's innocence and I am now utterly convinced of his guilt.I am not the only one to switch opinions in this way --I was 30 at the time of the crimes and I can't think of a single contemporary of mine who still thinks he is innocent.This is despite the fact that nearly everybody i'm friends with is hugely sceptical of the police and the criminal justice system in this country.

There are a shameful number of MOJs in the UK as opposed to say,France,where they are unheard of BUT JB ain't one of them IMO

Would you mind telling us more about your interests with France Cath is it the booze you like most or the cheese  8(0(*

Cleaver girl

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Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #185 on: June 24, 2012, 09:18:53 PM »
Yes,all the lies and the massive teetering construction of mutually incompatible 'facts',along with the insults to,and vilification of highly intelligent and very respectful posters whose only crime was to politely ask for evidence to support some of Mike's and others claims made me completely change my mind about JB's innocence and I am now utterly convinced of his guilt.I am not the only one to switch opinions in this way --I was 30 at the time of the crimes and I can't think of a single contemporary of mine who still thinks he is innocent.This is despite the fact that nearly everybody i'm friends with is hugely sceptical of the police and the criminal justice system in this country.

There are a shameful number of MOJs in the UK as opposed to say,France,where they are unheard of BUT JB ain't one of them IMO

You write so eliquently Cath please keep posting  8(0(*

George Gently

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Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #186 on: June 24, 2012, 09:27:55 PM »
Quite so,thats why i don't think she did any of that  - she was dead she wasn't doing her nails,sadly
have you read the kevin craigie case cath?

do you think mr rothwell (rip) was left by the hands kevin craigie to die?

why didn't he help that poor man?


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Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #187 on: June 24, 2012, 09:29:44 PM »

It could have been a hot August night abs.

Many people sleep on top of the bed, or underneath the top cover, but that doesn't make them restless.  8(>((

It was described as a warm muggy August night.  All the more reason why an Aga would not have been fired up at the time of the murders.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

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Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #188 on: June 24, 2012, 09:30:40 PM »
For me,Dillon's earlier post re Sheila's mental health issues seems to put to bed all the fantastical tales of her rampaging psychosis,her tardive dyskensia,gurning,strength of an ox/10 men,et al as peddled by the pro-bamber bods.I really think that those who are so quick on there to purport to be so deeply traumatised by the so called 'vile posts' on here should stop and have a long think about the hideous,unsubstantiated claims they have made about a vulnerable woman,who was murdered and whose children were murdered

on another issue  --  I have always wondered why,if Sheila beat Neville into submission in the kitchen with the wooden handle of the gun,which she could only have done by firmly gripping the barrell end,why there were no finger prints on this part of the gun,as well as the trigger from when she shot everybody?Were gloves found that Sheila had been wearing.Surely the lack of finger prints from S is inexplicable,whereas easily explained in JB's case -- he was wearing gloves

As far as I remember, there was one fingerprint from Jeremy and one from Sheila - and none else??? I think the firearm had been shifted around so much by police officers that the fingerfrint evidence was destroyed. Like so much else in this case.

The rifle was moved by its strap abs.  There was no contamination of the rifle as you suggest.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

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Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #189 on: June 24, 2012, 09:30:50 PM »
Nice post again, Dillon! Thank you.  ?{)(**

You have to be coordinated on both right and left hand - it does take some skill and coordination to apply nail-varnish

abs think dillon already knows about hand co-ordination and skill and painting nails  8(0(*

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Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #190 on: June 24, 2012, 11:55:33 PM »
Quite so,thats why i don't think she did any of that  - she was dead she wasn't doing her nails,sadly

Well, people often say that Sheila had poor coordination and therefore could not have handled a rifle. I say it takes quite some coordination to apply nail-polish so well. Somebody else must have put it on her nails then.

The logic is quite simple abs.  Sheila was well practised and rehearsed at putting on her make up and nail varnish.  She was not well rehearsed in the use of a .22 semi automatic rifle.  She hated guns, she wouldn't even allow the twins to play with toy guns.  That says it all for me!   8(0(*
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

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Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #191 on: June 25, 2012, 07:29:14 AM »
If Sheila was so coordinated, I take it that she had someone else apply her nail-polish; that takes some coordination, ask me, I know!  8(0(*
Abs, lets be real here OK?. There is a world of difference between applying nail polish - something Sheila probably did without even thinking about it, on a daily basis - and massacring five human beings.
Sheila Cafell was an ex-model. The simple act of applying nail polish or any other beauty treatment would have been second nature to her.
Using this as an example to show how coordinated she may have been and therefore could have committed the killings is utterly absurd.
 8-)(--)
Starryian..

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Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #192 on: June 25, 2012, 07:36:16 AM »

It could have been a hot August night abs.

Many people sleep on top of the bed, or underneath the top cover, but that doesn't make them restless.  8(>((

It was described as a warm muggy August night.  All the more reason why an Aga would not have been fired up at the time of the murders.
A very good point John.
Yes it was a muggy night. Why would anyone put the Aga on ? It makes no sense. Morover, I have checked the statements by police officers. None mentioned that the room was hot. No mention of the Aga being on at all.
I believe it is just another misleading theory by the blue forum to explain another misleading theory.
Starryian..

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Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #193 on: June 25, 2012, 07:55:20 AM »
I do realize that it has to be either Sheila or Jeremy. Jeremy MIGHT have painted himself into a corner with that phonecall.

I think that Sheila was more ill than people here generally think. I think it is highly disturbing that a mother says that her children are the devil´s children and that they are capable of having sex with her. In my min that raises red flags galore!
There are so many things that make me think that Sheila could have done it. She was up that night - her bed was not properly slept in, she had eaten. It indicates some restlessness. I am not sure it would have been good for Sheila to be alone with her thoughts with everyone else asleep.
Of course a lot more, but I don´t want to write a novel.

Where is the blood spatter on Sheila and her clothing abs.  Where is the glass on her feet or shoes from the smashed light shade in the kitchen?  Where are her wounds from fighting with Nevill abs...not even a single fingernail out of place?? 

How does someone with little firearms experience load and fire a rifle 22 times abs without leaving some traces on her or the rifle?   How did she manage to fire and hit her target nearly every time?

FACT> When Nevill reached the kitchen we know he had been shot several times in the face and shoulder.  How was he able to reach the phone, dial Jeremy and speak to him with blood running out of him and virtually unable to speak?

No blood on the kitchen floor or the telephone belonging to Nevill abs...no blood at all on the phone or anywhere near it?

Why did he not scream at jeremy that he had been shot?  Could it be because this was just a lie?

You have to look at the evidence abs which is there and not blank this out because of some empathy with a killer.  Sheila may have been ill but she was superwoman or the invisible woman...follow the evidence!
Abs, some interesting information. You do seem to place alot of emphasis on Sheila Caffell's mental condition and extrapolate ideas from it as reasons why she could have committed the murders. True enough, nothing is impossible, but do you not think that to take this line you have to completely ignore all the other evidence that points to her being completely innocent of the murders?
Abs, psychology is not a precise science. It is a discipline that studies the complexities and abnomalies of the human mind. Psycologists will look for traits and patterns in order to find a diagnosis - somewhere in between lies a very grey area. This is an area that belongs to the individual and often fits no pattern or trait and any diagnosis here is very subjective and open to debate. How then, one wonders, can some theorists come up with a whole chapter and verse scenario trying desparately to paint a woman - who no longer has a voice with which to defend herself - as the culprit? What are you basing it on? What evidence other than 'it is possible due to her mental condition' can you possibly have for suggesting what you do? Yes Sheila made some bizzare statements often due to her illness, but this is a world away from committing mass-murder.
The truth is Abs, that there is absolutely NO evidence whatsoever, that Sheila Cafell murdered her family. If you know of any, please feel free to put it forward rather than suppositions based on a highly subjective area.
Starryian..

Dillon

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Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #194 on: June 25, 2012, 10:10:53 AM »
Some very good points are being made here but I hope that this forum is not going down the route of the blue lot and getting aggressive with the perceived opposition. I do not agree with ABS but she has a point of view and she does not indulge in the sort of immature abuse which seems to have become an increasing feature of the other forum. I know the people who spoke to Sheila on the telephone during the evening prior to the murders and they  are people of great integrity who also knew Seila very well. She was reported to be in a normal mental state and enthusiastic about planned outings with the twins for the succeeding two days.