Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories

[John]

Ian the outlook of "Lookout" is completely lacking in capacity for logical thinking. Probably thought Jeremy was innocent in 1985 because he was good looking and had nice eyes so did not meet Lookout's perception of a brutal killer. There is really no way that you can debate the issues in the case with this sort of idiot ! I can at least understand, for example, those who challenge the veracity of all of Julie Mugford's evidence but although strongly corroborative her evidence is not crucial in determining Bamber's guilt. The no brainer as we all know is the alleged phone call to Jeremy from Nevill and the sheer improbability that Sheila could have been the culprit. Jeremy can be a very deceptive character. I remember way back in late 1985 or maybe early 1986 hearing comments from a prison chaplain who had seen Jeremy in Norwich Prison, thought he was a charming nice guy and could not beleive that he could have been the murderer. In contrast, an experienced prison visitor who also saw him in that period thought that he was the most evil person he had ever met .
Lookout mentions Taff Jones who sadly died falling off a ladder. I do not know much about this detective but I have come across quite a few senior detectives of that era who enjoyed a quick solution to a case so that they could get on with their social life, golf etc. There was a culture of hard drinking in the CID's of many forces at that time . However, I would emphasise that I am not accusing the late Taff Jones of being of that ilk. Simply that this was a culture in which ambitious younger detectives did not challenge the boss and where pragmatic conclusions on guilt were sometimes made and the evidence manipulated to fit.     

A very good post Dillon,
Yes I agree that 'Lookout' has lost any sense of reasoning or capacity for logical thought. I am quite staggered at what I found on the blue forum in terms of sheer ignorance and naive vulnerability. Most of the pro-Bamber posters seemed to have one thing in common - the ability to easily conjure-up excuses for Jeremy Bamber's actions or behaviour combined with an innate ability to denigrate or blame the relatives. The party line at TT seems to be just that. Your point about the police is a good one. There was a culture of drinking and general sloppiness in the police at that time. Taff Jones wasn't the most understanding and open of detectives. He was described by Stan Jones  as 'a good copper, but an arrogant one'.
This man's actions often bordered on the darnright negligent. During a police conference to take a fresh look at the evidence and after they arrested Bamber for the first time, Taff Jones listened to the evidence and all the policeman present - apart from him - agreed that Bamber was probably the culprit. Despite the fact that all the evidence now pointed at Bamber being the killer he haughtily announced that 'No, my original theory still stands' Much to the incredulity of the other police present including the CID top brass. He was completely incapable of admitting that he was wrong and would knowingly have let a man get away with mass murder and let an innocent woman be framed in order for him to simply save face.
Stan Jones later said of his namesake ' his hunches were seldom wrong' But he was wrong on this one.
It was through Taff Jones' obduracy and the general ineptitude of the initial police investigation of the case that sweeping changes came into force in the aftermath of the Bamber case in regards to investigating murder cases.

Taff Jones knew that to go with the flow and to blame Sheila would be the path of least resistance.  Blaming Jeremy Bamber would have opened up a huge can of worms within the Establishment as far as he was concerned and would have impacted on his chances of becoming a Chief Inspector.  Little did he know then that a strategically misplaced ladder would sign his death warrant.

Stan Jones on the other hand was a coppers copper. He had a nose for pretty boys with brains to spare like Jeremy Bamber.  Stan could see right through him from the off.  If he hadn't seen what he did when he entered the room at Jeremy's house in Goldhanger and if Julie hadn't spoken out I fear this case would have been so different.  It would have been put down to four murders and a suicide and Jeremy would have been laughing all the way to the bank.

Stan Jones cracked the case wide open, he must have realised all his worst fears had been realised when he spoke with Julie Mugford.  Taff must have been horrified at her evidence because it sounded the end for him and his future career prospects.  He must have been devastated to have been removed from the enquiry. He would have lost all his credibility at one fail swoop.

[takeshi]

Seriously? Debunking Tesko doesn't take much. He has told so many lies on his forum that even I began to question him. And that is the point at which he banned me. Challenged him and he doesn't like it. All that bullcrap about a photograph of Sheila on the bed, with one bullet whole or two, who cares. Because at the end of the day he lied about it ever existing. He said he sent a copy to Bamber in the post. Lies. He said he went with an informant to Birmingham and the offices of the CCRC to deliver an envelope which contained a photograph of Sheila on the bed. More lies. He says he has an old hard drive in storage which contains the image of Sheila on the bed. When questioned he says the hard drive is obsolete and he can no longer access the image. More lies. A real supporter of Bamber who had real proof of his innocence, of the kind claimed by Tesko, would have gone public with it by now or at least made sure that it made its way into the hands of his current legal team. Why hasn't he done this? Because none of it exists. Simple, end of and good night.

[John]

Seriously? Debunking Tesko doesn't take much. He has told so many lies on his forum that even I began to question him. And that is the point at which he banned me. Challenged him and he doesn't like it. All that bullcrap about a photograph of Sheila on the bed, with one bullet whole or two, who cares. Because at the end of the day he lied about it ever existing. He said he sent a copy to Bamber in the post. Lies. He said he went with an informant to Birmingham and the offices of the CCRC to deliver an envelope which contained a photograph of Sheila on the bed. More lies. He says he has an old hard drive in storage which contains the image of Sheila on the bed. When questioned he says the hard drive is obsolete and he can no longer access the image. More lies. A real supporter of Bamber who had real proof of his innocence, of the kind claimed by Tesko, would have gone public with it by now or at least made sure that it made its way into the hands of his current legal team. Why hasn't he done this? Because none of it exists. Simple, end of and good night.

 

An excellent post takeshi and very much to the point.  Mike Tesko hasn't got any evidence in support of Jeremy Bamber and he is kidding nobody.  It's all hogwash just like the Ali Bongo and the agent 'Z' rubbish, totally nuts!

What a brilliant opening ceremony at the Olympic Games tonight...the very best of British!   

[Joanne]

The whole sites nutty, I did have a good time merrily leading one member up the garden path. Unfortunately, it backfired (badly) and caused a shed load of problems for someone else which I am sorry about. It seems to be 'one flew over the cuckoo's nest' the internet version. Its a pitty they're doing it at someone elses expense, even if he is a murderous, slandering monkey 

[Angelo222]

The whole sites nutty, I did have a good time merrily leading one member up the garden path. Unfortunately, it backfired (badly) and caused a shed load of problems for someone else which I am sorry about. It seems to be 'one flew over the cuckoo's nest' the internet version. Its a pitty they're doing it at someone elses expense, even if he is a murderous, slandering monkey 

The bit I fail to understand is how any of what Mike Tesko says will help Jeremy Bamber in any way shape or form. The sad truth is that JB has spent the last 25 years planning his big exit but it will never happen.  You can only fool so many of the people so much of the time.

[Angelo222]

The whole sites nutty, I did have a good time merrily leading one member up the garden path. Unfortunately, it backfired (badly) and caused a shed load of problems for someone else which I am sorry about. It seems to be 'one flew over the cuckoo's nest' the internet version. Its a pitty they're doing it at someone elses expense, even if he is a murderous, slandering monkey 

NAUGHTY NAUGHTY 

They are paranoid enough across the way which I suppose is Karma given their leaders recent conduct.  Who is Grahame pretending to be now?  Is he cross-dressing again?

[goatboy]

Seriously? Debunking Tesko doesn't take much. He has told so many lies on his forum that even I began to question him. And that is the point at which he banned me. Challenged him and he doesn't like it. All that bullcrap about a photograph of Sheila on the bed, with one bullet whole or two, who cares. Because at the end of the day he lied about it ever existing. He said he sent a copy to Bamber in the post. Lies. He said he went with an informant to Birmingham and the offices of the CCRC to deliver an envelope which contained a photograph of Sheila on the bed. More lies. He says he has an old hard drive in storage which contains the image of Sheila on the bed. When questioned he says the hard drive is obsolete and he can no longer access the image. More lies. A real supporter of Bamber who had real proof of his innocence, of the kind claimed by Tesko, would have gone public with it by now or at least made sure that it made its way into the hands of his current legal team. Why hasn't he done this? Because none of it exists. Simple, end of and good night.

Crazy thing is that they are quite vitriolic about Julie Mugford saying she is a proven liar. Yet they revere people like Tesko and Grahame who do very little else other than lie through their teeth.

[Joanne]

I don't know about Grahame, I know the infamous kevin Craigie is Margot and Chelsea, he hasn't got the gist of who I am, he thinks I'm John 
I think there's so much playing each other off on there, nobody really knows who anyone one is anymore.
I will ask though-who is Grahame and whats his motives?

[puglove]

The whole sites nutty, I did have a good time merrily leading one member up the garden path. Unfortunately, it backfired (badly) and caused a shed load of problems for someone else which I am sorry about. It seems to be 'one flew over the cuckoo's nest' the internet version. Its a pitty they're doing it at someone elses expense, even if he is a murderous, slandering monkey 

NAUGHTY NAUGHTY 

They are paranoid enough across the way which I suppose is Karma given their leaders recent conduct.  Who is Grahame pretending to be now?  Is he cross-dressing again?

No    . Mrs B says "that side of things has got to stop" and she's hidden her bras. So I'm staying out of trouble, eating a Vesta paella and watching my favourite film, Back Passage To India.

[Angelo222]

Seriously? Debunking Tesko doesn't take much. He has told so many lies on his forum that even I began to question him. And that is the point at which he banned me. Challenged him and he doesn't like it. All that bullcrap about a photograph of Sheila on the bed, with one bullet whole or two, who cares. Because at the end of the day he lied about it ever existing. He said he sent a copy to Bamber in the post. Lies. He said he went with an informant to Birmingham and the offices of the CCRC to deliver an envelope which contained a photograph of Sheila on the bed. More lies. He says he has an old hard drive in storage which contains the image of Sheila on the bed. When questioned he says the hard drive is obsolete and he can no longer access the image. More lies. A real supporter of Bamber who had real proof of his innocence, of the kind claimed by Tesko, would have gone public with it by now or at least made sure that it made its way into the hands of his current legal team. Why hasn't he done this? Because none of it exists. Simple, end of and good night.

Crazy thing is that they are quite vitriolic about Julie Mugford say she is a proven liar. Yet they revere people like Tesko and Grahame who do very little else other than lie through their teeth.

Give me Julie Mugford and a little white lie any day rather than Jeremy Bamber and his mega black lies.  Not that Bellis and Morrison have anything to crow about in any event as they are both liars.

Julie is there nemesis unfortunately and there is nothing they can do about it. Show me a person who says they have never lied and I will show you a liar!

[Angelo222]

I don't know about Grahame, I know the infamous kevin Craigie is Margot and Chelsea, he hasn't got the gist of who I am, he thinks I'm John 
I think there's so much playing each other off on there, nobody really knows who anyone one is anymore.
I will ask though-who is Grahame and whats his motives?

Isn"t it strange how you can smell Craigie anywhere?  That stench of murder must follow him wherever he dares to tread. I also find it amusing how a gay troll likes to use womens names.  Wake up blue forum you are being taken over by clown Craigie.

[Joanne]

Its the only forum I've posted on, not in my own name.
KC's amoungst his own on there I think-deluded souls who need to be amoung others 
At least it's civil on here and proper debate takes place.

[Angelo222]

Its the only forum I've posted on, not in my own name.
KC's amoungst his own on there I think-deluded souls who need to be amoung others 
At least it's civil on here and proper debate takes place.

Mike Tesko has taken his eye of the ball in order to play silly b....rs and in doing so has allowed the monkeys to take over the zoo.   

[John]

I must say guys, I don't usually look at the blue forum any more but I did have a read earlier and it strikes me that they are totally bonkers.  Apparently I am to blame for all their troubles of late which I find hilarious. Get a grip blue forum as you are becoming quite the laughing stock.     

On a more serious note, Teskowski is still promoting the rubbish about how Sheila was killed. He insists that she was shot once downstairs and then again upstairs with a different rifle. This goes totally against all the evidence so no surprise there then.  Mike Teskowski doesn't do evidence or logic, everything is a conspiracy and sinister to him.  A bit like his arrest and conviction for his thieving and burglary activities, you know, the activities which weren't any of his doing yet he was nabbed red handed.

Back to Sheila.  We know where the rifle which killed Sheila was found. We know where the two empty shell casings belonging to the two bullets which killed her were found.  We know how many shell casings were found elsewhere in the house and the fact that each and every one of them can be back traced to injuries sustained by the other victims.  We also have the two bullets which killed Sheila, one of which fragmented according to the X-rays but a large enough piece was still recovered and examined.

The conclusion from all of this can only point to one scenario and that is that Sheila was shot and killed where she stood in the master bedroom.  The same rifle was used to fire both shots and at least one of those shots was made with a silencer fitted to the rifle.

Mike Teskowski's deluded theories and wild interpretations of the evidence will never amount to anything which can in any way point to suicide.

[goatboy]

Mike really won't let the "police killed Sheila" idea drop. However, even Jeremy stands by the theory that Sheila murdered everybody and then committed suicide, so how does Mike's mad idea help Jeremy?

Anyway, none of the blue forum seem to have pointed out that on the night of the murders all of the people who died were people who would bequeath money to Bamber or were due to inherit money following the Bambers' deaths. What an odd coincidence that all the people who stood in the way of Jeremy's inheritance died? What are the odds?