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Offline Aunt Agatha

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #390 on: July 31, 2012, 02:04:50 PM »
Thank you Ian for respecting my views - as I do yours.

Today I do not Campaign or work in any way for Jeremy's release.  I gave that up years ago!

Neither am I concerned regarding his release or continued imprisonment.

Any feelings or desires I had then with regard to helping him further have now dissipated - the day he chose to believe a bunch of complete strangers over me was the day I turned my back on him.

I do however remain of the view that Sheila did have the time and know-how, to kill her immediate family.

It is not that I believe that Jeremy 'could not do it'....that would be quite pathetic, but I do believe in what he told me all those years ago......and only recently did facts to prove the statements he made to me become public.

Jeremy never changed his story - not once!!

He did not 'hate' his family....that is far from true in IMO.

He did not try to sell photo's to the Sun newspaper.......the paper got in touch with him asking he bring modelling photo's of Sheila. Jeremy took a bunch of photo's.  They wanted to buy some - Jeremy refused to sell them!

As for making a breakfast the following morning:  Many officers had worked through the night and continued to stay well past their shift ending.  Jeremy was in a confused and very upset state.  He was told to go and rest by the officers. He could not and wanted to keep busy - just doing something in order to help in some small way. He was told to eat but could not, however he set about cooking something for the officers on duty that morning.

I have questioned Jeremy many, many times about his actions before and after the sad events of that night.  In the back of my mind there has always been an element of doubt - 'did he do it?'     That doubt has remained with me to this day........however the doubt is there only because I was not there myself that night and I genuinely do not know exactly what happened either.   Though I will add, that during our discussions, nothing he said ever had me believe for a second that he definitely did it.

I could be wrong..........I have no qualifications or experience in defining whether a person be guilty or not guilty of anything.........all I have are my instincts, and with all the information I received from Jeremy, my instincts tell me he is innocent.

Offline starryian

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #391 on: July 31, 2012, 03:27:50 PM »
Thank you Ian for respecting my views - as I do yours.

Today I do not Campaign or work in any way for Jeremy's release.  I gave that up years ago!

Neither am I concerned regarding his release or continued imprisonment.

Any feelings or desires I had then with regard to helping him further have now dissipated - the day he chose to believe a bunch of complete strangers over me was the day I turned my back on him.

I do however remain of the view that Sheila did have the time and know-how, to kill her immediate family.

It is not that I believe that Jeremy 'could not do it'....that would be quite pathetic, but I do believe in what he told me all those years ago......and only recently did facts to prove the statements he made to me become public.

Jeremy never changed his story - not once!!

He did not 'hate' his family....that is far from true in IMO.

He did not try to sell photo's to the Sun newspaper.......the paper got in touch with him asking he bring modelling photo's of Sheila. Jeremy took a bunch of photo's.  They wanted to buy some - Jeremy refused to sell them!

As for making a breakfast the following morning:  Many officers had worked through the night and continued to stay well past their shift ending.  Jeremy was in a confused and very upset state.  He was told to go and rest by the officers. He could not and wanted to keep busy - just doing something in order to help in some small way. He was told to eat but could not, however he set about cooking something for the officers on duty that morning.

I have questioned Jeremy many, many times about his actions before and after the sad events of that night.  In the back of my mind there has always been an element of doubt - 'did he do it?'     That doubt has remained with me to this day........however the doubt is there only because I was not there myself that night and I genuinely do not know exactly what happened either.   Though I will add, that during our discussions, nothing he said ever had me believe for a second that he definitely did it.

I could be wrong..........I have no qualifications or experience in defining whether a person be guilty or not guilty of anything.........all I have are my instincts, and with all the information I received from Jeremy, my instincts tell me he is innocent.
Dear AA,
Thank you kindly for your reply. An interesting account. It strike me immediately that Bamber has obviously given his account to you as to what happened before, during and after the murders. Of course no-one but the killer was there that night. However, like 98% of all murder cases we must judge it according to the evidence that we have because there were no witnesses. Murder by it's very odiousness is a crime that will be surreptitious and secretive by nature. The purpetrators are mostly aware of what punishment will be meted out to them should they be exposed. It is obviously in their best interests to conceal evidence and deceive those who investigate it.
With this in mind, it is therefore necessary to look at the evidence - both physical and circumstantial.
In Bamber's case the doubt that he was the culprit arises almost exclusively from the fact that the police investigation was second rate and 'perfunctory' (to use the trial judge's words) This gave rise to doubt and also afforded the perpetrator the opportunity to cast themselves into a light of innocence using the very mistakes that the police at the crime originally made. In short Bamber found a way to cast doubt on his conviction by using the shoddy police investigation as a template.
However, the physical evidence that was gathered was quite compelling; Bamber cannot - although he has tried all manner of methods - explain why Sheila's blood was found on the silencer.
A hacksaw blade found outside the kitchen window matches the marks found on the newly painted window catch.
The compete lack of forensic evidence found on the body of Sheila Caffell - disproving that she was the purpetrator.
The numerous witness statements. This all points very clearly towards one purpetrator and one alone - Jeremy Bamber.
I think you are on the right track when you said that you have doubts in the back of your mind. It is very difficult to believe that somebody you know could actually have committed such a barbaric crime as this. However, it does happen. Bamber has all the hallmarks of a psychopath - just like the pschiatrist (brought in by the defense) believed at his orginal trial. He believed Bamber was a textbook case. Psychopaths are so adept at lying and manipulation that an ordinary person would not know. Most of us, no matter how savvy we are, would almost certainly in the past in one way or another have fallen prey to a psychopath. Whether it be down the market shopping for a bargain and find ourselves getting ripped off to more far grandious schemes. There is no disgrace in this. We are all human.
What is clear is the reason you gave for the 'photo incident' with Sheila's photos. Mike Fielder the Sun newspaper's crime reporter never wavered from his story either about Bamber. Fielder's story had the ring of truth to it for several key reasons. The sun would NOT be interested in 'ordinary photos' That simply is not their policy. Being a tabloid newspaper and knowing full well that 'sex sells' they would have expressed an interest in only photos of sexual nature. Mike Fielder was asked for a 'large sum of money' by Bamber. A tabloid newspaper does NOT pay a large sum of money for 'family photos' Bamber and his friend Brett Collins were 'gigling and being highly suggestive'
Put plainly AA, he was offering nude photos of Sheila to the highest bidder. 'with such calm and ease as though, he were selling sweeties' said Fielder. If Bamber has told you otherwise he is certainly lying. AA you must ask yourself WHY this man is lying. Moreover, Fielder was aghast not to be called by the prosecution at the trial and offered to put this in a sworn statement to be read out in court. (in the event, it wasnt needed)
This is just a small sample of the web of lies told by Jeremy Bamber after the murders. AA Bamber is certainly guilty of the murders and is now, without doubt a callous mass-murdering psychoipath who will dump anyone in a heartbeat that can no longer assist his 'innocence' campaign. He will listen to and take on board anyone that can provide a lie better than he can. Please do not be surprised by his callous rejection of you on the word of another. This is par for the course in his life. AA, it may not be 'gut instinct' that will show the way in this case, but circumstantial evidence and practical common sense. I say because we are dealing with a very cunning, deceiptful individual that will stop at nothing to squirm out of his just punishment.
Aunt Agatha, you are a humane, kind and decent person. Something that Bamber, definitely is not. Thank you for your points. If there is anything I can help you with please let me know.

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Offline Angelo222

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #392 on: July 31, 2012, 03:36:42 PM »
Thank you Ian for respecting my views - as I do yours.

Today I do not Campaign or work in any way for Jeremy's release.  I gave that up years ago!

Neither am I concerned regarding his release or continued imprisonment.

Any feelings or desires I had then with regard to helping him further have now dissipated - the day he chose to believe a bunch of complete strangers over me was the day I turned my back on him.

I do however remain of the view that Sheila did have the time and know-how, to kill her immediate family.

It is not that I believe that Jeremy 'could not do it'....that would be quite pathetic, but I do believe in what he told me all those years ago......and only recently did facts to prove the statements he made to me become public.

Jeremy never changed his story - not once!!

He did not 'hate' his family....that is far from true in IMO.

He did not try to sell photo's to the Sun newspaper.......the paper got in touch with him asking he bring modelling photo's of Sheila. Jeremy took a bunch of photo's.  They wanted to buy some - Jeremy refused to sell them!

As for making a breakfast the following morning:  Many officers had worked through the night and continued to stay well past their shift ending.  Jeremy was in a confused and very upset state.  He was told to go and rest by the officers. He could not and wanted to keep busy - just doing something in order to help in some small way. He was told to eat but could not, however he set about cooking something for the officers on duty that morning.

I have questioned Jeremy many, many times about his actions before and after the sad events of that night.  In the back of my mind there has always been an element of doubt - 'did he do it?'     That doubt has remained with me to this day........however the doubt is there only because I was not there myself that night and I genuinely do not know exactly what happened either.   Though I will add, that during our discussions, nothing he said ever had me believe for a second that he definitely did it.

I could be wrong..........I have no qualifications or experience in defining whether a person be guilty or not guilty of anything.........all I have are my instincts, and with all the information I received from Jeremy, my instincts tell me he is innocent.

You wouldn't be the first or indeed the last to be taken in by a master manipulator AA.   You only need to look at the Adrian Prout case last year where he convinced Debbie Garlick that he wasn't a cold blooded murderer.  She even got engaged to him, moved in with him and had a baby girl to him.  And all the time Prouts strangled wife Kate lay in an unmarked grave on the family farm where he had earlier buried her.

Prout bottled out though and confessed all, how long will it be before Jeremy does the same?

De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Joanne

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #393 on: July 31, 2012, 04:41:24 PM »
Would there have been any 'benefit' to JB confessing to the crime when it happened?
Obviously, he thought he was going to get away with it and thought it the perfect crime and still maintains his innocence.
Is there any benefit to him confessing now his options are none?
I think a few people have admitted guilt, I think Myra Hindley did so (but only because she thought it might help her get out) and Tracie Andrews did the same. I think they probably do it for their own ends.

Offline starryian

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #394 on: July 31, 2012, 04:44:04 PM »
Thank you Ian for respecting my views - as I do yours.

Today I do not Campaign or work in any way for Jeremy's release.  I gave that up years ago!

Neither am I concerned regarding his release or continued imprisonment.

Any feelings or desires I had then with regard to helping him further have now dissipated - the day he chose to believe a bunch of complete strangers over me was the day I turned my back on him.

I do however remain of the view that Sheila did have the time and know-how, to kill her immediate family.

It is not that I believe that Jeremy 'could not do it'....that would be quite pathetic, but I do believe in what he told me all those years ago......and only recently did facts to prove the statements he made to me become public.

Jeremy never changed his story - not once!!

He did not 'hate' his family....that is far from true in IMO.

He did not try to sell photo's to the Sun newspaper.......the paper got in touch with him asking he bring modelling photo's of Sheila. Jeremy took a bunch of photo's.  They wanted to buy some - Jeremy refused to sell them!

As for making a breakfast the following morning:  Many officers had worked through the night and continued to stay well past their shift ending.  Jeremy was in a confused and very upset state.  He was told to go and rest by the officers. He could not and wanted to keep busy - just doing something in order to help in some small way. He was told to eat but could not, however he set about cooking something for the officers on duty that morning.

I have questioned Jeremy many, many times about his actions before and after the sad events of that night.  In the back of my mind there has always been an element of doubt - 'did he do it?'     That doubt has remained with me to this day........however the doubt is there only because I was not there myself that night and I genuinely do not know exactly what happened either.   Though I will add, that during our discussions, nothing he said ever had me believe for a second that he definitely did it.

I could be wrong..........I have no qualifications or experience in defining whether a person be guilty or not guilty of anything.........all I have are my instincts, and with all the information I received from Jeremy, my instincts tell me he is innocent.

You wouldn't be the first or indeed the last to be taken in by a master manipulator AA.   You only need to look at the Adrian Prout case last year where he convinced Debbie Garlick that he wasn't a cold blooded murderer.  She even got engaged to him, moved in with him and had a baby girl to him.  And all the time Prouts strangled wife Kate lay in an unmarked grave on the family farm where he had earlier buried her.

Prout bottled out though and confessed all, how long will it be before Jeremy does the same?
Well said David,
A very good example to use. Bamber has little choice now but to confess otherwise he will spend the rest of his life in a cell. I suspect he has thought about it following the defeat of his last CCRC attempt. He knows now that he has overplayed his hand. He also knows that he will not be released unless he shows some kind of remorse (something is is utterly incapable of) or at least the impression of it, and even then it will not be until he is a very old man.
 I also believe that when he hit 50 it dawned on him that his life is ebbing away inside prison and the authorities will not release him. He is also aware of the knowledge that the judiciary system knows full well what his game is.
He is heading into the 'reconsider zone', a stage where the persistent denials of clearly guilty prisoners start to fade away and are replaced by silence while they are contemplating their next move. Myra Hindley, Nannie Doss and Ted Bundy are all famous examples of murderers that made confessions when they neared either death or the prospect of spending the rest of their lives behind bars.
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Offline starryian

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #395 on: July 31, 2012, 05:00:12 PM »
Would there have been any 'benefit' to JB confessing to the crime when it happened?
Obviously, he thought he was going to get away with it and thought it the perfect crime and still maintains his innocence.
Is there any benefit to him confessing now his options are none?
I think a few people have admitted guilt, I think Myra Hindley did so (but only because she thought it might help her get out) and Tracie Andrews did the same. I think they probably do it for their own ends.
To be honest Joanne,
I think that had he confessed immediately after the crime and shown some remorse he may, with a very good lawyer and a lot of luck, he have been released after his original sentence of 25 years........just maybe.
However, I think they will deny Bamber any form of parole until he is a very old man. Even then he can consider himself incredibly lucky that they release him at all. The very nature of his evil and odious crime and the persistent denials, the lying the cheating the manipulating of others will all be taken into account. The despicable blaming of his sister and the desicration of his family's memory may lead the judges to steadfastly refuse any attempt at releasing him - no matter what age he is. Justice Drake also stated at his trial 'I find it difficult to forsee a time when it will ever be safe to release someone who could shoot two liitle boys while they slept in their beds'
In an appeal against his whole life tariff, an appeal judge stated that 'these murders were exceptionally serious,"
In a written decision to be communicated to Bamber, who had asked for a specific minimum term to be set to give him some hope of parole,  Mr Justice Tugendhat stated that: "In my judgment, you ought to spend the whole of the rest of your life in prison, and I so order."
The chances of him ever being released are vitually non-existent.
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Offline John

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #396 on: July 31, 2012, 06:32:30 PM »
Would there have been any 'benefit' to JB confessing to the crime when it happened?
Obviously, he thought he was going to get away with it and thought it the perfect crime and still maintains his innocence.
Is there any benefit to him confessing now his options are none?
I think a few people have admitted guilt, I think Myra Hindley did so (but only because she thought it might help her get out) and Tracie Andrews did the same. I think they probably do it for their own ends.
To be honest Joanne,
I think that had he confessed immediately after the crime and shown some remorse he may, with a very good lawyer and a lot of luck, he have been released after his original sentence of 25 years........just maybe.
However, I think they will deny Bamber any form of parole until he is a very old man. Even then he can consider himself incredibly lucky that they release him at all. The very nature of his evil and odious crime and the persistent denials, the lying the cheating the manipulating of others will all be taken into account. The despicable blaming of his sister and the desicration of his family's memory may lead the judges to steadfastly refuse any attempt at releasing him - no matter what age he is. Justice Drake also stated at his trial 'I find it difficult to forsee a time when it will ever be safe to release someone who could shoot two liitle boys while they slept in their beds'
In an appeal against his whole life tariff, an appeal judge stated that 'these murders were exceptionally serious,"
In a written decision to be communicated to Bamber, who had asked for a specific minimum term to be set to give him some hope of parole,  Mr Justice Tugendhat stated that: "In my judgment, you ought to spend the whole of the rest of your life in prison, and I so order."
The chances of him ever being released are vitually non-existent.

I read an internal police memo a while back where it was stated that is was Mike Teskowski who put the idea into Bambers head to fight the case to the bitter end using every devious angle he could come up with.

Well done Mike!  As Ian has stated, Jeremy would have been on parole by now had he admitted his guilt at an early stage and not attempted to defect blame to his murdered sister.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline starryian

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #397 on: July 31, 2012, 06:59:18 PM »
Would there have been any 'benefit' to JB confessing to the crime when it happened?
Obviously, he thought he was going to get away with it and thought it the perfect crime and still maintains his innocence.
Is there any benefit to him confessing now his options are none?
I think a few people have admitted guilt, I think Myra Hindley did so (but only because she thought it might help her get out) and Tracie Andrews did the same. I think they probably do it for their own ends.
To be honest Joanne,
I think that had he confessed immediately after the crime and shown some remorse he may, with a very good lawyer and a lot of luck, he have been released after his original sentence of 25 years........just maybe.
However, I think they will deny Bamber any form of parole until he is a very old man. Even then he can consider himself incredibly lucky that they release him at all. The very nature of his evil and odious crime and the persistent denials, the lying the cheating the manipulating of others will all be taken into account. The despicable blaming of his sister and the desicration of his family's memory may lead the judges to steadfastly refuse any attempt at releasing him - no matter what age he is. Justice Drake also stated at his trial 'I find it difficult to forsee a time when it will ever be safe to release someone who could shoot two liitle boys while they slept in their beds'
In an appeal against his whole life tariff, an appeal judge stated that 'these murders were exceptionally serious,"
In a written decision to be communicated to Bamber, who had asked for a specific minimum term to be set to give him some hope of parole,  Mr Justice Tugendhat stated that: "In my judgment, you ought to spend the whole of the rest of your life in prison, and I so order."
The chances of him ever being released are vitually non-existent.

I read an internal police memo a while back where it was stated that is was Mike Teskowski who put the idea into Bambers head to fight the case to the bitter end using every devious angle he could come up with.

Well done Mike!  As Ian has stated, Jeremy would have been on parole by now had he admitted his guilt at an early stage and not attempted to defect blame to his murdered sister.
A very interesting point John,
Mike and Jeremy used to share the same prison landing I believe. I am sure the two plotted this as well. Bamber knew Tesko would be released and obviously knew that is the best place to be to get his case heard. Sadly for them none of it worked and Bamber is exactly where he belongs.
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Offline insider

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #398 on: July 31, 2012, 08:19:47 PM »
A very interesting point John,
Mike and Jeremy used to share a cell I believe. I am sure the two plotted this as well. Bamber knew Tesko would be released and obviously knew that is the best place to be to get his case heard. Sadly for them none of it worked and Bamber is exactly where he belongs.
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In Mike Tesco's own words:

For the record, I have never shared a cell with Jeremy Bamber, I was merely in the same maximum security prison as he was, on the same wing, in the cell next door to him.

 Although, I did spend Christmas dinner (December 1989) in his cell with him for a period of about four hours.

In the main I spoke to Jeremy a lot about his case whenever we had the opportunity, both during the day when we were studying on university courses and evening in our recreation time.
« Last Edit: July 31, 2012, 10:12:39 PM by John »
Liars come in all shapes and sizes. No profession is without them.

Offline John

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #399 on: July 31, 2012, 08:36:46 PM »
A very interesting point John,
Mike and Jeremy used to share a cell I believe. I am sure the two plotted this as well. Bamber knew Tesko would be released and obviously knew that is the best place to be to get his case heard. Sadly for them none of it worked and Bamber is exactly where he belongs.
  8@??)(
Mike and Jeremy used to share a cell??? Do not know where you get your info from but Full Sutton is ''Single Cell Occupancy'' Moron ...more bullshit methinks 8-)(--)

In Mike Tesco's own words:

For the record, I have never shared a cell with Jeremy Bamber, I was merely in the same maximum security prison as he was, on the same wing, in the cell next door to him.

 Although, I did spend Christmas dinner (December 1989) in his cell with him for a period of about four hours.

In the main I spoke to Jeremy a lot about his case whenever we had the opportunity, both during the day when we were studying on university courses and evening in our recreation time.

So there you have it.  The question has always been asked as to why a petty burglar like Tesko was in a maximum security prison in the first place?  Was it for his own protection?   >@@(*&)
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline goatboy

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #400 on: July 31, 2012, 08:42:09 PM »
Thank you Ian for respecting my views - as I do yours.

Today I do not Campaign or work in any way for Jeremy's release.  I gave that up years ago!

Neither am I concerned regarding his release or continued imprisonment.

Any feelings or desires I had then with regard to helping him further have now dissipated - the day he chose to believe a bunch of complete strangers over me was the day I turned my back on him.

I do however remain of the view that Sheila did have the time and know-how, to kill her immediate family.

It is not that I believe that Jeremy 'could not do it'....that would be quite pathetic, but I do believe in what he told me all those years ago......and only recently did facts to prove the statements he made to me become public.

Jeremy never changed his story - not once!!

He did not 'hate' his family....that is far from true in IMO.

He did not try to sell photo's to the Sun newspaper.......the paper got in touch with him asking he bring modelling photo's of Sheila. Jeremy took a bunch of photo's.  They wanted to buy some - Jeremy refused to sell them!

As for making a breakfast the following morning:  Many officers had worked through the night and continued to stay well past their shift ending.  Jeremy was in a confused and very upset state.  He was told to go and rest by the officers. He could not and wanted to keep busy - just doing something in order to help in some small way. He was told to eat but could not, however he set about cooking something for the officers on duty that morning.

I have questioned Jeremy many, many times about his actions before and after the sad events of that night.  In the back of my mind there has always been an element of doubt - 'did he do it?'     That doubt has remained with me to this day........however the doubt is there only because I was not there myself that night and I genuinely do not know exactly what happened either.   Though I will add, that during our discussions, nothing he said ever had me believe for a second that he definitely did it.

I could be wrong..........I have no qualifications or experience in defining whether a person be guilty or not guilty of anything.........all I have are my instincts, and with all the information I received from Jeremy, my instincts tell me he is innocent.

Of course we respect your views. It's actually quite refreshing to have someone from the innocent camp who actually has read the facts and interprets them without resorting to mindless speculation and unfounded conspiracy theories. You've met Bamber and we haven't so of course you may have insider knowledge that we don't. However,  the conclusion we can reach from what you say is that either Bamber is 100% innocent or he is a psychopath, adept at telling lies and able to manipulate people. I know which I believe.

Offline John

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #401 on: July 31, 2012, 10:52:23 PM »
Of course we respect your views. It's actually quite refreshing to have someone from the innocent camp who actually has read the facts and interprets them without resorting to mindless speculation and unfounded conspiracy theories. You've met Bamber and we haven't so of course you may have insider knowledge that we don't. However,  the conclusion we can reach from what you say is that either Bamber is 100% innocent or he is a psychopath, adept at telling lies and able to manipulate people. I know which I believe.

AA has known Jeremy for a long time and you would think that after a while she would get to know when he was being genuine and when he was being elusive.  Could it be that she was beginning to get to the truth and that wasn't sitting too well with the master planner?

AA admits that she has her own nagging doubts and one has to remember that just about everything she knows about the case has come from Jeremy Bamber himself. 

In reality though there isn't much he could tell anyone in any event because according to him he went home to his cottage and the first thing he knew about anything was a telephone call from his dad before 3am.  I hasten to add there is no record of any such telephone call nor is there any record of a call being received by the police from a Nevill or Ralph Bamber.  One would have thought in hindsight that if you were going to lie about such a call you would at least ensure that it could be traced.  My own suspicion is that Jeremy placed more than one call to the police that night.  He made one call from White House Farm to a police station which he knew was unmanned at that time of night and one from the farm to his own house in Goldhanger. He had thus covered the two possible calls which he later spoke of.

Jeremy said that his father telephoned him and that it was a result of that call that he telephoned Maldon police only to get no reply.  He then telephoned Chelmsford Police Station and spoke to a constable who arranged for cars to attend White House Farm.

Jeremy spoke of telephoning Julie Mugford after having received the call from his father although he got the sequence of these calls mixed up at one stage which is quite interesting.  We know Julie received a call at around 3am from Jeremy, corroborated by several witnesses at her flat.   Yet it took him another 26 minutes to telephone the police at Chelmsford.  Assuming then that he was able to telephone Julie at 3am with news of a problem at the farm then the unproven and mysterious call from Nevill had to have been received around 2.50am ish.  Why phone Julie Mugford at all in the middle of the night?  Why not just phone the police straight away if it was such a big deal?  Why not dial 999?  Why the big delay?

Further more, the police car despatched from Maldon had to cover some 5 miles before it got to Jeremy's village and was actually able to overtake him near Tolleshunt D'Arcy as he was travelling so slow.  Why was he travelling so slow and making such a positive effort not to arrive at the farm before the police?  He even had time to stop and put on another jumper.  Why was this?  Was there something on the jumper he chose to hide, something that would have given him away if noticed?  Had the master-plan come within a hairs breadth of being discovered?

For me there are far too many whys, ifs and buts.  I believe Jeremy simply telephoned Julie Mugford in order to provide him with an alibi at 3am.  He assumed that the GPO could have traced his call.
« Last Edit: July 31, 2012, 11:00:05 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Aunt Agatha

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #402 on: July 31, 2012, 10:55:54 PM »
I know I stand alone here.....there is nobody else on here who is/has been in my position....however, I thank you all for treating me with the up most respect...and you all make valid points.  Points I cannot argue with, because, I agree with almost all that you have said.

I'll be honest!!  Having read your replies.....I have to ask myself,   'Was I so gullible? Have I been taken in for years by this man?'

'I honestly don't know!'.   I'd be mighty surprised if I had.  For some years I would spend 12 hours most weekends with him.

When I was not visiting, he would be phoning me many times a day.  We shared  a lot and I know he took me into his confidence.  I knew things that nobody else knew. 

I was beside him through two Appeals....the second one bringing him to his knees where he was on suicide watch. 

I cannot recall him blaming anyone.  He was not a person to look outside himself and blame others for his downfall - he looked within himself at his own failings and was not slow in admitting his shortcomings.   

Am I deluded?

I question it all. 



 

   

Offline puglove

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #403 on: July 31, 2012, 11:10:40 PM »
I know I stand alone here.....there is nobody else on here who is/has been in my position....however, I thank you all for treating me with the up most respect...and you all make valid points.  Points I cannot argue with, because, I agree with almost all that you have said.

I'll be honest!!  Having read your replies.....I have to ask myself,   'Was I so gullible? Have I been taken in for years by this man?'

'I honestly don't know!'.   I'd be mighty surprised if I had.  For some years I would spend 12 hours most weekends with him.

When I was not visiting, he would be phoning me many times a day.  We shared  a lot and I know he took me into his confidence.  I knew things that nobody else knew. 

I was beside him through two Appeals....the second one bringing him to his knees where he was on suicide watch. 

I cannot recall him blaming anyone.  He was not a person to look outside himself and blame others for his downfall - he looked within himself at his own failings and was not slow in admitting his shortcomings.   

Am I deluded?

I question it all. 



 

 

Aggy, can I ask how you became so involved with JB? He obviously found you to be a credible and trustworthy person - what on earth made him swap allegiance to TJB?
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

Offline John

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #404 on: July 31, 2012, 11:10:48 PM »
I know I stand alone here.....there is nobody else on here who is/has been in my position....however, I thank you all for treating me with the up most respect...and you all make valid points.  Points I cannot argue with, because, I agree with almost all that you have said.

I'll be honest!!  Having read your replies.....I have to ask myself,   'Was I so gullible? Have I been taken in for years by this man?'

'I honestly don't know!'.   I'd be mighty surprised if I had.  For some years I would spend 12 hours most weekends with him.

When I was not visiting, he would be phoning me many times a day.  We shared  a lot and I know he took me into his confidence.  I knew things that nobody else knew. 

I was beside him through two Appeals....the second one bringing him to his knees where he was on suicide watch. 

I cannot recall him blaming anyone.  He was not a person to look outside himself and blame others for his downfall - he looked within himself at his own failings and was not slow in admitting his shortcomings.   

Am I deluded?

I question it all. 

I don't think anyone is suggesting that you were deluded AA.  It does seem to be common territory however that many who have befriended Jeremy later go on to depart from him.  Some continue to believe in him while others have changed their minds.

Jeremy has implicated Sheila by default by stating that his father said that she had the gun, a reference to the .22 rifle.  That and the fact that there was no break-in at the farm sort of places the blame at Sheila's feet according to Jeremy yet you say he does not blame anyone?

Has he out and out told you that Sheila did it?

...or did he blame a third party?

A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.