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Offline Jerry

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #405 on: July 31, 2012, 11:27:06 PM »
Gee 20 years is a long time to visit someone in prison Aggy.  You must have been devastated when he failed ti win his appeals and then when that tracy came along stirring it up as she does regularly.   >@@(*&)

Do you think Tesko was good or bad for Jeremy.  Err I mean it has been suggested earlier tonight that it was Tesko who put the whole idea of fighting the conviction in his head otherwise he would have been out on parole by now probably?
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Offline puglove

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #406 on: July 31, 2012, 11:39:14 PM »
Gee 20 years is a long time to visit someone in prison Aggy.  You must have been devastated when he failed ti win his appeals and then when that tracy came along stirring it up as she does regularly.   >@@(*&)

Do you think Tesko was good or bad for Jeremy.  Err I mean it has been suggested earlier tonight that it was Tesko who put the whole idea of fighting the conviction in his head otherwise he would have been out on parole by now probably?

It does make you wonder why/when Mike decided to scupper any chance of freedom for JB with Ali Bongo, Z, grainy sunlight, Sheila's arm, Sheila barking like a dog, unattainable images and phone logs.....
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

Offline starryian

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #407 on: July 31, 2012, 11:40:47 PM »
I know I stand alone here.....there is nobody else on here who is/has been in my position....however, I thank you all for treating me with the up most respect...and you all make valid points.  Points I cannot argue with, because, I agree with almost all that you have said.

I'll be honest!!  Having read your replies.....I have to ask myself,   'Was I so gullible? Have I been taken in for years by this man?'

'I honestly don't know!'.   I'd be mighty surprised if I had.  For some years I would spend 12 hours most weekends with him.

When I was not visiting, he would be phoning me many times a day.  We shared  a lot and I know he took me into his confidence.  I knew things that nobody else knew. 

I was beside him through two Appeals....the second one bringing him to his knees where he was on suicide watch. 

I cannot recall him blaming anyone.  He was not a person to look outside himself and blame others for his downfall - he looked within himself at his own failings and was not slow in admitting his shortcomings.   

Am I deluded?

I question it all. 



 

 
No you are certainly not deluded AA. You were a person that believed in another. We have all been there at some point in our lives. We have all probably had experiences with people who whom we believed a great deal in and trusted - whether they be best friends, wives, husbands, lawyers, business partners etc etc. It is very difficult for anyone to believe that they have been lie to or deceived in any way especially someone with whom we have placed so much trust. You had the double-whammy as it were because the person you trusted made a life for himself abusing such trust and betraying others. There is no disgrace in this AA. You are a decent human being who just happened to believe in the wrong person. This is OK because it will make you stronger and wiser for the experience. No-one will judge you and no-one will ever cast aspersions because of who Bamber was. He was and remains a manipulative, lying psychopath. These people deceive others for a living.
I suspect that the face and the voice you experienced in Bamber was a very diiferent one to the one he portrayed elsewhere. Bamber is adept at showing the appropriate 'face' to those present or those that matter at any given moment. Believe you me, Bamber does indeed blame others - consistently and often, for his predicament. He blamed the relatives, he blamed Julie Mugford and - during an interview recorded for a book about the crime called Murder At White House Farm by Claire Powell he persistently stated that his relatives would 'pay for it' when he got out. He included Colin Caffell, Robert and David Boutflour. He blamed them endlessly.
Remember, AA a psychopath is totally incapable of taking responsibility for their own actions. They are emotional mimics in that they cannot experience emotion like ordinary people........they have to copy it. Often they get this wrong and get noticed by others who understandably think they are simply over-reacting. This happened at his parents funerals where it was noticeable to shrewd observers that Bamber was faking it. He was actually mimicking the grief of Colin Caffell but over did it somewhat dramatically. Bamber is an excellent actor and able to display an array of 'faces' to different people depending on who they were and what their usefulness to him actually was at that particular time.
I am sure AA you know what I am talking about here. You may have seen this actually happen but may have dismissed it at the time. There was an example of Jeremy visiting Colin Caffell after the funeral of the twins in London. when Bamber was clearly conning Colin by cosying-up to him, when just hours before he was railling against him. Julie Mugford saw it and was appalled by it. She also stated that Jeremy's behaviour at Colin's flat was little short of reprehensible. He was caught by Colin Caffell running up the stairs in a towel with Brett Collins covered in soap foam laughing like a drain. A totally inappropriate and disgustingly callous thing to do in a flat of a man that has just lost two of his own sons. Other examples include  DS Stan Jones unexpectedly walking into the front room at Bourtree Cottage and catching Bamber inappropriately smirking just hours after the killings and who can ever forget the infamous 'I should have been an actor' line laughing whispered to Julie Mugford? Bamber is indeed the master of deceipt. So please place no trust in what he did or what he said. It is all an illusion and you are far too good of a person to waste 1 minute of your precious time on such a callous individual as him.
 AA your points of view are well received and respected. If you need any advice there are some very knowledgable people on here who, I am sure will be only too happy to help - myself humbly included.

 8((()*/ 8@??)(
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Starryian..

Offline Jerry

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #408 on: August 01, 2012, 12:07:26 AM »
Maybe Aggy can tell us a little of how Jeremy reacted when his civils cases against the family were losts and he ended up having to sell his worldly good to pay their costs thereby effectively leaving him penniless?   8-)(--)

Offline Aunt Agatha

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #409 on: August 01, 2012, 12:08:14 AM »
I know I stand alone here.....there is nobody else on here who is/has been in my position....however, I thank you all for treating me with the up most respect...and you all make valid points.  Points I cannot argue with, because, I agree with almost all that you have said.

I'll be honest!!  Having read your replies.....I have to ask myself,   'Was I so gullible? Have I been taken in for years by this man?'

'I honestly don't know!'.   I'd be mighty surprised if I had.  For some years I would spend 12 hours most weekends with him.

When I was not visiting, he would be phoning me many times a day.  We shared  a lot and I know he took me into his confidence.  I knew things that nobody else knew. 

I was beside him through two Appeals....the second one bringing him to his knees where he was on suicide watch. 

I cannot recall him blaming anyone.  He was not a person to look outside himself and blame others for his downfall - he looked within himself at his own failings and was not slow in admitting his shortcomings.   

Am I deluded?

I question it all. 

I don't think anyone is suggesting that you were deluded AA.  It does seem to be common territory however that many who have befriended Jeremy later go on to depart from him.  Some continue to believe in him while others have changed their minds.

Jeremy has implicated Sheila by default by stating that his father said that she had the gun, a reference to the .22 rifle.  That and the fact that there was no break-in at the farm sort of places the blame at Sheila's feet according to Jeremy yet you say he does not blame anyone?

Has he out and out told you that Sheila did it?

...or did he blame a third party?






Hello John,

The idea of a third party was scuppered by Jeremy.

He could think of no-one else other than Sheila.

Offline Aunt Agatha

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #410 on: August 01, 2012, 12:20:55 AM »
I know I stand alone here.....there is nobody else on here who is/has been in my position....however, I thank you all for treating me with the up most respect...and you all make valid points.  Points I cannot argue with, because, I agree with almost all that you have said.

I'll be honest!!  Having read your replies.....I have to ask myself,   'Was I so gullible? Have I been taken in for years by this man?'

'I honestly don't know!'.   I'd be mighty surprised if I had.  For some years I would spend 12 hours most weekends with him.

When I was not visiting, he would be phoning me many times a day.  We shared  a lot and I know he took me into his confidence.  I knew things that nobody else knew. 

I was beside him through two Appeals....the second one bringing him to his knees where he was on suicide watch. 

I cannot recall him blaming anyone.  He was not a person to look outside himself and blame others for his downfall - he looked within himself at his own failings and was not slow in admitting his shortcomings.   

Am I deluded?

I question it all. 



 

 
No you are certainly not deluded AA. You were a person that believed in another. We have all been there at some point in our lives. We have all probably had experiences with people who whom we believed a great deal in and trusted - whether they be best friends, wives, husbands, lawyers, business partners etc etc. It is very difficult for anyone to believe that they have been lie to or deceived in any way especially someone with whom we have placed so much trust. You had the double-whammy as it were because the person you trusted made a life for himself abusing such trust and betraying others. There is no disgrace in this AA. You are a decent human being who just happened to believe in the wrong person. This is OK because it will make you stronger and wiser for the experience. No-one will judge you and no-one will ever cast aspersions because of who Bamber was. He was and remains a manipulative, lying psychopath. These people deceive others for a living.
I suspect that the face and the voice you experienced in Bamber was a very diiferent one to the one he portrayed elsewhere. Bamber is adept at showing the appropriate 'face' to those present or those that matter at any given moment. Believe you me, Bamber does indeed blame others - consistently and often, for his predicament. He blamed the relatives, he blamed Julie Mugford and - during an interview recorded for a book about the crime called Murder At White House Farm by Claire Powell he persistently stated that his relatives would 'pay for it' when he got out. He included Colin Caffell, Robert and David Boutflour. He blamed them endlessly.
Remember, AA a psychopath is totally incapable of taking responsibility for their own actions. They are emotional mimics in that they cannot experience emotion like ordinary people........they have to copy it. Often they get this wrong and get noticed by others who understandably think they are simply over-reacting. This happened at his parents funerals where it was noticeable to shrewd observers that Bamber was faking it. He was actually mimicking the grief of Colin Caffell but over did it somewhat dramatically. Bamber is an excellent actor and able to display an array of 'faces' to different people depending on who they were and what their usefulness to him actually was at that particular time.
I am sure AA you know what I am talking about here. You may have seen this actually happen but may have dismissed it at the time. There was an example of Jeremy visiting Colin Caffell after the funeral of the twins in London. when Bamber was clearly conning Colin by cosying-up to him, when just hours before he was railling against him. Julie Mugford saw it and was appalled by it. She also stated that Jeremy's behaviour at Colin's flat was little short of reprehensible. He was caught by Colin Caffell running up the stairs in a towel with Brett Collins covered in soap foam laughing like a drain. A totally inappropriate and disgustingly callous thing to do in a flat of a man that has just lost two of his own sons. Other examples include  DS Stan Jones unexpectedly walking into the front room at Bourtree Cottage and catching Bamber inappropriately smirking just hours after the killings and who can ever forget the infamous 'I should have been an actor' line laughing whispered to Julie Mugford? Bamber is indeed the master of deceipt. So please place no trust in what he did or what he said. It is all an illusion and you are far too good of a person to waste 1 minute of your precious time on such a callous individual as him.
 AA your points of view are well received and respected. If you need any advice there are some very knowledgable people on here who, I am sure will be only too happy to help - myself humbly included.

 8((()*/ 8@??)(






Hello Ian,

Your description of a psycho I would agree with.....applying that to Jeremy, I would find most difficult.

Over the years our meetings or conversations were not all pleasant, we argued and disagreed about some things.   I did see many sides to Jeremy, sides to which we all have, and yet I still could not describe him as a psychopath.

He is a very well spoken articulate man who seeks pleasure from helping others.  He has taught many to read and write in prison, he has been an ear for those who need to speak.  I used to deliver parcels to the prison and I do recall him sharing the contents with another young man who had no family.

Please do not think for one moment I think the sun shines out of his backside...that is far from true and he has many failings.....especially when he wants his own way.  He will do whatever is necessary to get what he wants.......but he is not a murderer.   

His own arrogance can be quite detrimental......and had he committed these crimes then we would certainly know about it...because he would have told someone or given some indication.


Offline Aunt Agatha

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #411 on: August 01, 2012, 12:29:31 AM »
Gee 20 years is a long time to visit someone in prison Aggy.  You must have been devastated when he failed ti win his appeals and then when that tracy came along stirring it up as she does regularly.   >@@(*&)

Do you think Tesko was good or bad for Jeremy.  Err I mean it has been suggested earlier tonight that it was Tesko who put the whole idea of fighting the conviction in his head otherwise he would have been out on parole by now probably?






Hello Jerry,

Mike has done some good, what with the site, his tenacity and strength to see things through.
Yet, he  can, IMO, bring everything around him crashing down when he mentions the likes of Ali Bong etc, or continues to feed the forum about supposed photo's of Sheila on the bed etc.

Why he does this I have no idea..........I just don't read it!!

I have nothing to add about him and his families civil case.........it's not something I have played a part in and therefore cannot give any insight into his feelings or beliefs.  Sorry Jerry.

Offline Jerry

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #412 on: August 01, 2012, 12:34:22 AM »

Hello Ian,

Your description of a psycho I would agree with.....applying that to Jeremy, I would find most difficult.

Over the years our meetings or conversations were not all pleasant, we argued and disagreed about some things.   I did see many sides to Jeremy, sides to which we all have, and yet I still could not describe him as a psychopath.

He is a very well spoken articulate man who seeks pleasure from helping others.  He has taught many to read and write in prison, he has been an ear for those who need to speak.  I used to deliver parcels to the prison and I do recall him sharing the contents with another young man who had no family.

Please do not think for one moment I think the sun shines out of his backside...that is far from true and he has many failings.....especially when he wants his own way.  He will do whatever is necessary to get what he wants.......but he is not a murderer.   

His own arrogance can be quite detrimental......and had he committed these crimes then we would certainly know about it...because he would have told someone or given some indication.

But he did Aggy....he boasted about it to Julie Mugford didn't he??

Offline Aunt Agatha

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #413 on: August 01, 2012, 12:40:42 AM »
I know I stand alone here.....there is nobody else on here who is/has been in my position....however, I thank you all for treating me with the up most respect...and you all make valid points.  Points I cannot argue with, because, I agree with almost all that you have said.

I'll be honest!!  Having read your replies.....I have to ask myself,   'Was I so gullible? Have I been taken in for years by this man?'

'I honestly don't know!'.   I'd be mighty surprised if I had.  For some years I would spend 12 hours most weekends with him.


When I was not visiting, he would be phoning me many times a day.  We shared  a lot and I know he took me into his confidence.  I knew things that nobody else knew. 

I was beside him through two Appeals....the second one bringing him to his knees where he was on suicide watch. 

I cannot recall him blaming anyone.  He was not a person to look outside himself and blame others for his downfall - he looked within himself at his own failings and was not slow in admitting his shortcomings.   

Am I deluded?

I question it all. 



 

 

Aggy, can I ask how you became so involved with JB? He obviously found you to be a credible and trustworthy person - what on earth made him swap allegiance to TJB?





Hello Shona,

Many moons ago I wanted to be a lawyer and during my studies I followed the odd case, but Jeremy's stood out.

At an award ceremony in Central London I was seated near someone from his solicitors office.  We spoke and the following day I posted a card to Jeremy.  That was about 1992/93.

Quite unexpectedly, I found myself visiting him some months later (with my lawyers hat on), lol.

I did not go to visit Jeremy with the sincere belief he was innocent!!

I was wary. The many inconsistencies during the trial where enough to get my attention.  Someone was lying.  Was it the Police/fFamily/Julie or Jeremy?

Having never spoken to the Police, Family or Julie.......yet going through all the statements and evidence I concluded that if anybody was covering up something..........Jeremy's covering up was far, far less than what the others where hiding.

Only as time went by did I come to believe that Jeremy was a MOJ.

Offline Aunt Agatha

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #414 on: August 01, 2012, 12:41:41 AM »

Hello Ian,

Your description of a psycho I would agree with.....applying that to Jeremy, I would find most difficult.

Over the years our meetings or conversations were not all pleasant, we argued and disagreed about some things.   I did see many sides to Jeremy, sides to which we all have, and yet I still could not describe him as a psychopath.

He is a very well spoken articulate man who seeks pleasure from helping others.  He has taught many to read and write in prison, he has been an ear for those who need to speak.  I used to deliver parcels to the prison and I do recall him sharing the contents with another young man who had no family.

Please do not think for one moment I think the sun shines out of his backside...that is far from true and he has many failings.....especially when he wants his own way.  He will do whatever is necessary to get what he wants.......but he is not a murderer.   

His own arrogance can be quite detrimental......and had he committed these crimes then we would certainly know about it...because he would have told someone or given some indication.

But he did Aggy....he boasted about it to Julie Mugford didn't he??






I don't believe he did Jerry - No!!

Offline John

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #415 on: August 01, 2012, 12:42:50 AM »

Hello John,

The idea of a third party was scuppered by Jeremy.

He could think of no-one else other than Sheila.

Jeremy's plan had one huge flaw AA.  He forgot to put Nevill's blood on the telephone handset and dialer.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Jerry

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #416 on: August 01, 2012, 12:48:51 AM »


But he did Aggy....he boasted about it to Julie Mugford didn't he??






I don't believe he did Jerry - No!!
You have no way of knowing this Aggy....this is merely your opinion which is not based on any evidence.  You have to remember that much of Julies statement is corroborated by others.


You will have heard all about the break-in at Osea caravans and how jeremy lied about that.  Can you not see that he is a prolific liar?    8(8-))

Offline Aunt Agatha

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #417 on: August 01, 2012, 12:49:07 AM »

Hello John,

The idea of a third party was scuppered by Jeremy.


He could think of no-one else other than Sheila.

Jeremy's plan had one huge flaw AA.  He forgot to put Nevill's blood on the telephone handset and dialer.





John, if Jeremy did do it, then he made a several mistakes, the first one being contacting the police himself.

Also, the wet suit was mentioned, it being used.  Why did he give it to me to hold on to, along with the air rifle, that was also supposedly used (according to Mike and friends).

I have many things of his here......I wonder if any of these things where also used.........



Offline Jerry

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #418 on: August 01, 2012, 12:51:16 AM »

Hello John,

The idea of a third party was scuppered by Jeremy.

He could think of no-one else other than Sheila.

Jeremy's plan had one huge flaw AA.  He forgot to put Nevill's blood on the telephone handset and dialer.
Thats right.  Neville was shot in the master bedroom and came downstiars bleeding profusely from head and neck wounds.  There would have been blood on the phone and the sideboard if he had made that call.

Offline Aunt Agatha

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #419 on: August 01, 2012, 12:56:12 AM »


But he did Aggy....he boasted about it to Julie Mugford didn't he??






I don't believe he did Jerry - No!!
You have no way of knowing this Aggy....this is merely your opinion which is not based on any evidence.  You have to remember that much of Julies statement is corroborated by others.


You will have heard all about the break-in at Osea caravans and how jeremy lied about that.  Can you not see that he is a prolific liar?    8(8-))




Jerry I do understand where you are coming from.....yes.

I only stated that I do not believe he said that to Julie......as you say rightly, it is only my opinion.  Sure, I could be wrong.

And yes, the caravan park can be seen as him telling lies.   Maybe the break in and theft were Julie's idea?  It was his caravan park after all.....(by shares).....he could do what he wished, so he thought at the time.

We have all made mistakes, surely, and tried to cover it up. He got found out though and that mistake has blown up in his face and has been used against him.

He can lie, yes....and he does.....still does not make him a murderer though Jerry.