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Offline starryian

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #450 on: August 01, 2012, 10:48:23 PM »
Well done Ian ! Fame at last. YOUR VERY OWN thread on the famous blue forum . Broke my new rule and had a look. The sad folk regurgitating the same old crap again and again and again ad nauseum. Oh dear " Maggie ", how many times can you repeat the same ill informed, malicious and overstated nonsense about Sheila's mental health . And you guys complain about Ian describing Jeremy as a psychopath. Your hypocrisy has no limits. And Buddy the fountain of all wisdom on the case seems to be losing it too. A really cross old chap. Shame as I thought that he was one of the more thoughtful posters on the blue forum. Chill mate before you make yourself ill.

Well said Dillon, 8@??)( 8@??)( 8@??)( 8((()*/
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Offline John

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #451 on: August 01, 2012, 11:42:13 PM »
I do enjoy a little read of the latest fantasies over on the blue forum and tonight I see that Mike Teskowski is suggesting that Sheila was given CPR while she had been dead for many hours.  If it wasn't so sad it would be funny, I don't know whether to laugh or to cry.  Has he lost the plot completely or do you think he just makes up this nonsense as he goes along to give the impression that he is informed?

As for the thousands of documents he hasn't managed to get through yet, another delusion.  He hasn't introduced a single novel idea in the Jeremy Bamber case in months and in fact does nothing but rehash old arguments which he can never win.

All in all a sorry state of affairs.   @)(++(*
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Jerry

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #452 on: August 01, 2012, 11:57:07 PM »
I do enjoy a little read of the latest fantasies over on the blue forum and tonight I see that Mike Teskowski is suggesting that Sheila was given CPR while she had been dead for many hours.  If it wasn't so sad it would be funny, I don't know whether to laugh or to cry.  Has he lost the plot completely or do you think he just makes up this nonsense as he goes along to give the impression that he is informed?

As for the thousands of documents he hasn't managed to get through yet, another delusion.  He hasn't introduced a single novel idea in the Jeremy Bamber case in months and in fact does nothing but rehash old arguments which he can never win.

All in all a sorry state of affairs.   @)(++(*
8-)(--)  Talk about ever decreasing circles.  Jeremy should confess now and put the poor sods out of their agony.  No doubt if he did confess Tesko would say he was forced to do so and it is all one big conspiracy.   @)(++(*

Offline John

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #453 on: August 02, 2012, 12:16:38 AM »
I do enjoy a little read of the latest fantasies over on the blue forum and tonight I see that Mike Teskowski is suggesting that Sheila was given CPR while she had been dead for many hours.  If it wasn't so sad it would be funny, I don't know whether to laugh or to cry.  Has he lost the plot completely or do you think he just makes up this nonsense as he goes along to give the impression that he is informed?

As for the thousands of documents he hasn't managed to get through yet, another delusion.  He hasn't introduced a single novel idea in the Jeremy Bamber case in months and in fact does nothing but rehash old arguments which he can never win.

All in all a sorry state of affairs.   @)(++(*
Yes John,
I was aghast that such nonsense could be bandied about by seemingly literate individuals. What is even more suprising is how quickly it is taken as 'fact' and becomes part of the myth. I am staggered by the sheer stupidity of it all. I saw one post which tried to explain away the phone call from his father;

" Jeremy waking from a deep sleep accepted that it was his father who rang him in a state of anxiety asking for help.  There is a possibility that Jeremy heard words from a voice which was like his father saying words he recognised would only come from his father convincing him it was Ralph on the phone...it may not have been, the power of suggestion is very strong.  Lots of people as witnesses swear they saw things that they couldn't have possibly seen"

It is frightening.......... these people have the vote!  8()-000(

That particular post has all the hallmarks of an attempt to move the goalposts.  The telephone call which Jeremy claims was made by his father was his undoing...THE FATAL ERROR>  I bet he lies in his cell at night and curses the moment he decided to invent that telephone call. 

Things didn't go too well for him that morning at White House Farm.  He totally overestimated the damage that a .22 rifle bullet could do to the human body. This wasn't little bunny rabbits that he was shooting now!

He didn't have any way to prejudge the effectiveness of the rounds which was a big mistake.  He found to his cost that one bullet was not going to kill anyone so he must have been in a state of panic.  When it came to Sheila he probably thought that one round in the neck would do it but he was mistaken.  The bullet missed the jugular vein and partially shattered leaving Sheila unconscious but alive.  What was he to do now?  Would he leave her and risk her surviving until the morning or would he have to shoot her again which was certainly not ideal in his suicide plan?

I wonder at what stage did he decide to introduce the fake telephone call?  Was it because he had to shoot Sheila twice and so had to add some meat to his unlikely tale?  Whatever the reason it has been his undoing.
« Last Edit: August 02, 2012, 12:19:44 AM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Jerry

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #454 on: August 02, 2012, 12:25:26 AM »
Maybe he imagined the whole thing...just saying like???   >@@(*&)

Offline John

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #455 on: August 02, 2012, 12:31:41 AM »
I noticed another posts on the Bamber forum tonight which claimed that Jeremy didn't respond too quickly to Nevill's phantom telephone call simply because Sheila was in the habit of going berserk around the house.

WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP!!

There is no evidence that Sheila ever did any such thing.  It is also the case that Sheila was hardly ever at the farm never mind being in the habit of running around like a wild woman.   Where do these deluded people get this garbage from I ask myself?  >@@(*&)
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline starryian

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #456 on: August 02, 2012, 01:32:31 AM »
I noticed another posts on the Bamber forum tonight which claimed that Jeremy didn't respond too quickly to Nevill's phantom telephone call simply because Sheila was in the habit of going berserk around the house.

WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP!!

There is no evidence that Sheila ever did any such thing.  It is also the case that Sheila was hardly ever at the farm never mind being in the habit of running around like a wild woman.   Where do these deluded people get this garbage from I ask myself?  >@@(*&)
John I have also seen a post over there which states that maybe the phone call from Nevill was a dream or Bamber mistook someone else for his father after being awoken so suddenly his mind played tricks on him.
I am staggered that people would even entertain such clearly absurd notions. It highlights the lengths that some of them will go to to try to invent excuses for finding him innocent. It must be some kind of delusional process that some seem to go through? They either have such poor self-awareness  that they cant tell when they are spouting something that is clearly ludicrous or they are telling lies and inventing highly implausible scenarios in an attempt to find him innocent by any means necessary. I shake my head in dismay.
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Offline John

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #457 on: August 02, 2012, 01:59:11 AM »
I noticed another posts on the Bamber forum tonight which claimed that Jeremy didn't respond too quickly to Nevill's phantom telephone call simply because Sheila was in the habit of going berserk around the house.

WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP!!

There is no evidence that Sheila ever did any such thing.  It is also the case that Sheila was hardly ever at the farm never mind being in the habit of running around like a wild woman.   Where do these deluded people get this garbage from I ask myself?  >@@(*&)
John I have also seen a post over there which states that maybe the phone call from Nevill was a dream or Bamber mistook someone else for his father after being awoken so suddenly his mind played tricks on him.
I am staggered that people would even entertain such clearly absurd notions. It highlights the lengths that some of them will go to to try to invent excuses for finding him innocent. It must be some kind of delusional process that some seem to go through? They either have such poor self-awareness  that they cant tell when they are spouting something that is clearly ludicrous or they are telling lies and inventing highly implausible scenarios in an attempt to find him innocent by any means necessary. I shake my head in dismay.

To be honest I think they are fast running out of options as is Jeremy Bamber.  You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.   8(0(*
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline starryian

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #458 on: August 02, 2012, 02:06:53 AM »
I do enjoy a little read of the latest fantasies over on the blue forum and tonight I see that Mike Teskowski is suggesting that Sheila was given CPR while she had been dead for many hours.  If it wasn't so sad it would be funny, I don't know whether to laugh or to cry.  Has he lost the plot completely or do you think he just makes up this nonsense as he goes along to give the impression that he is informed?

As for the thousands of documents he hasn't managed to get through yet, another delusion.  He hasn't introduced a single novel idea in the Jeremy Bamber case in months and in fact does nothing but rehash old arguments which he can never win.

All in all a sorry state of affairs.   @)(++(*
Yes John,
I was aghast that such nonsense could be bandied about by seemingly literate individuals. What is even more suprising is how quickly it is taken as 'fact' and becomes part of the myth. I am staggered by the sheer stupidity of it all. I saw one post which tried to explain away the phone call from his father;

" Jeremy waking from a deep sleep accepted that it was his father who rang him in a state of anxiety asking for help.  There is a possibility that Jeremy heard words from a voice which was like his father saying words he recognised would only come from his father convincing him it was Ralph on the phone...it may not have been, the power of suggestion is very strong.  Lots of people as witnesses swear they saw things that they couldn't have possibly seen"

It is frightening.......... these people have the vote!  8()-000(

That particular post has all the hallmarks of an attempt to move the goalposts.  The telephone call which Jeremy claims was made by his father was his undoing...THE FATAL ERROR>  I bet he lies in his cell at night and curses the moment he decided to invent that telephone call. 

Things didn't go too well for him that morning at White House Farm.  He totally overestimated the damage that a .22 rifle bullet could do to the human body. This wasn't little bunny rabbits that he was shooting now!

He didn't have any way to prejudge the effectiveness of the rounds which was a big mistake.  He found to his cost that one bullet was not going to kill anyone so he must have been in a state of panic.  When it came to Sheila he probably thought that one round in the neck would do it but he was mistaken.  The bullet missed the jugular vein and partially shattered leaving Sheila unconscious but alive.  What was he to do now?  Would he leave her and risk her surviving until the morning or would he have to shoot her again which was certainly not ideal in his suicide plan?

I wonder at what stage did he decide to introduce the fake telephone call?  Was it because he had to shoot Sheila twice and so had to add some meat to his unlikely tale?  Whatever the reason it has been his undoing.
A really interesting set of points John,
I agree I think he messed up a large part of his plan. The first of which is your point John; that he totally misjudged the amount of bullets needed to kill a human being. The whole crime scene smacks of desperation - these people had to die, otherwise he was in deep trouble. Therefore he had to shoot ALL of them more times than he had originally bargained for. This of course led him to make some very glaring mistakes. Nevill was able to slip past him when the bullets ran out. The blood trail leads to the kitchen counter, but not to the phone. This is where Nevil was accosted once again and attacked, this time Bamber used the rifle as a club. Nevel managed to get hold of the barrel and a fight ensued for control of the rifle (it was here that the scratchmarks were made in the kitchen mantlepiece)- The fight was yet another thing Bamber hadn't planned on. However, he was able to redeem the situtation briefly by gaining control of the rifle from the injured man and then battering him into unconsciousness with the butt so viciously that the wooden stock broke. The fight was so vicious that Nevill's wristw..ch came off his wrist and was later found covered in blood under the kitchen rug. Bamber now had time to re-loaded the rifle and fire further shots into his father. Here too, was left ominous clues to the killers identity. I have discovered that the shots where not point blank. It is possible from the distribution of the shell cartridges to ascertain that one of the the shots were fired from other other side of the kitchen into Nevill's head with the other two being fired at a slightly closer range. Sheila Cafell? Absolutely not. Sheila had no skill whatsoever with a firearm much less shoot it with that kind of accuracy into a small target area. We must also remember that this was AFTER the fight when sugar, lots of glass and copious amounts of blood were all over the floor. Sheila had not a trace of ANY of these on the soles of her feet.
Bamber's second error was shooting Sheila TWICE. I do not believe for one minute that Sheila Cafell was even conscious after the first shot. This would have hit her neck at sub-sonic speed and would have undoubtedly knocked her unconscious. Let us consider that for one moment. A male boxer requires the equivalent of 50 pounds of force (yes just 50 pounds)  to the chin to render him completely unconscious. The waif-like Sheila Cafell took a bullet travelling ar sub-sonic speed to her neck that tore into her soft tissue and patially shattered the fourth vertebrae in her neck and she is supposed to have got up and walked around? Again; absolutely no way. It was this very condition that Bamber used to shoot her prostrate body again but found that his sister's head was at the wrong angle to administer the shot. He therefore pulled her body down by the ankles so that enough of her neck was exposed for second shot. He could not risk leaving her and the possibility that she survive would have meant exposure. Pulling Sheila in a downward angle Bamber unknowingly bunched up her nightdress at the back - something that Sheila could not have done herself in her natural angle of fall. It clearly showed her body had been staged.
Bamber knew police may have had a hard time believing that a person who was going to kill themselves would be able to shoot themselves twice, so he dreamt up the idea of the telephone call from his father. He wanted to ensure that the police accepted his version of events. He wanted to prime them with the idea of a crazy woman inside the farm, armed with a rifle that was capable of anything. This was clearly his plan when he spoke to the police outside the farmhouse that night.
The mistakes he made spoke volumes as to who the real culprit was. The phone call was, I believe his biggest mistake. He effectively made it a two-horse race by naming the probable culprit. This automatically excluded any third party involvement. In short, it was him or Sheila and all investigators had to do was to show that Sheila could not have committed the murders and in so doing exposed and convicted Bamber as the real killer.
« Last Edit: August 02, 2012, 02:41:43 AM by starryian »
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Offline Joanne

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #459 on: August 02, 2012, 07:02:57 AM »
I've heard it said many times that there is no such think as a perfect murder and every murderer makes a mistake.

Offline puglove

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #460 on: August 02, 2012, 10:36:18 AM »
"Lookout" is sounding increasingly like the ignorant and unlamented Grahame.    >@@(*&)
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

Offline frank50

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #461 on: August 02, 2012, 10:00:27 PM »
I dont think he will ever confess. I just cant see it.

I do enjoy a little read of the latest fantasies over on the blue forum and tonight I see that Mike Teskowski is suggesting that Sheila was given CPR while she had been dead for many hours.  If it wasn't so sad it would be funny, I don't know whether to laugh or to cry.  Has he lost the plot completely or do you think he just makes up this nonsense as he goes along to give the impression that he is informed?

As for the thousands of documents he hasn't managed to get through yet, another delusion.  He hasn't introduced a single novel idea in the Jeremy Bamber case in months and in fact does nothing but rehash old arguments which he can never win.

All in all a sorry state of affairs.   @)(++(*
8-)(--)  Talk about ever decreasing circles.  Jeremy should confess now and put the poor sods out of their agony.  No doubt if he did confess Tesko would say he was forced to do so and it is all one big conspiracy.   @)(++(*

Offline starryian

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #462 on: August 02, 2012, 10:35:21 PM »
I dont think he will ever confess. I just cant see it.

I do enjoy a little read of the latest fantasies over on the blue forum and tonight I see that Mike Teskowski is suggesting that Sheila was given CPR while she had been dead for many hours.  If it wasn't so sad it would be funny, I don't know whether to laugh or to cry.  Has he lost the plot completely or do you think he just makes up this nonsense as he goes along to give the impression that he is informed?

As for the thousands of documents he hasn't managed to get through yet, another delusion.  He hasn't introduced a single novel idea in the Jeremy Bamber case in months and in fact does nothing but rehash old arguments which he can never win.

All in all a sorry state of affairs.   @)(++(*
8-)(--)  Talk about ever decreasing circles.  Jeremy should confess now and put the poor sods out of their agony.  No doubt if he did confess Tesko would say he was forced to do so and it is all one big conspiracy.   @)(++(*
To be honest Frank neither can I,
I think his ego is bigger than his desire to be free. He is also head-to-toe arrogant and he wouldnt be able to admit to anyone that he committed the murders much less himself. I would be very surprised if he put his hands up, but we live in hope.
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Offline puglove

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #463 on: October 20, 2012, 11:12:19 PM »
Yeh I noticed that on the other pathetic forum they reckon Mike has some killer eveidence in his garage. Is that what you think they are going to produce?
Looks like his Waterloo has come at last but then again there is another sift to come possibly.  I will get a chance to post more about this later on.

No, I think what was meant was the photo of Sheila that Mike supposedly has on an old hard drive.

Am I being thick, or is Mike now saying that the scratches under the mantelpiece WERE there on the morning of the 7th? So they weren't done by the relatives?

Can anyone help me on this one, because the silence is deafening. Hasn't Mike always said that the scratches under the mantelpiece were NOT done on the night of the murders, but at a later date by one of the relatives? But for some reason, he's now changed his mind. I know this is how he rolls, but doesn't this undermine a huge point?
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

Offline Matthew Wyse

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #464 on: October 20, 2012, 11:16:27 PM »
Yeh I noticed that on the other pathetic forum they reckon Mike has some killer eveidence in his garage. Is that what you think they are going to produce?
Looks like his Waterloo has come at last but then again there is another sift to come possibly.  I will get a chance to post more about this later on.

No, I think what was meant was the photo of Sheila that Mike supposedly has on an old hard drive.

Am I being thick, or is Mike now saying that the scratches under the mantelpiece WERE there on the morning of the 7th? So they weren't done by the relatives?

Can anyone help me on this one, because the silence is deafening. Hasn't Mike always said that the scratches under the mantelpiece were NOT done on the night of the murders, but at a later date by one of the relatives? But for some reason, he's now changed his mind. I know this is how he rolls, but doesn't this undermine a huge point?



Yes he did Shona, he made a big issue about it on a number of occasions.  Is he now saying that it was Sheila who made the marks with the tip of the rifle barrel??

That photo expert (cant remember his name) said that the scratches weren't in the scene of crimes photos.
« Last Edit: October 20, 2012, 11:46:29 PM by Matthew Wyse »
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