Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories

[Myster]

I really shouldn't waste my time reading Mike 'what the Dickens' Teskowski's latest pretentious 'A Christmas Carol' garbage.

I'm sure he could be doing more productive things with his life, now that the Bamber case is over.

[puglove]

I really shouldn't waste my time reading Mike 'what the Dickens' Teskowski's latest pretentious 'A Christmas Carol' garbage.

I'm sure he could be doing more productive things with his life, now that the Bamber case is over.

He's bloody lucky that no one takes him seriously. Says I.

[frank50]

I do find it interesting the way they still debate the case on the other forum, notwithstanding that to all intents and purposes its all over. Its almost like they are amateur sleuths in an imaginary game of Cluedo or something. Meanwhilst Bamber rots in prison which is the best place for him.

I really shouldn't waste my time reading Mike 'what the Dickens' Teskowski's latest pretentious 'A Christmas Carol' garbage.

I'm sure he could be doing more productive things with his life, now that the Bamber case is over.

He's bloody lucky that no one takes him seriously. Says I.

[Angelo222]

I do find it interesting the way they still debate the case on the other forum, notwithstanding that to all intents and purposes its all over. Its almost like they are amateur sleuths in an imaginary game of Cluedo or something. Meanwhilst Bamber rots in prison which is the best place for him.

They must have such empty and mundane lives to spend all their time deliberating such a despicable evil character. 

At least he will have had time to put his Christmas lunch order in this year.  No jam on toast for Jeremy this year.

[trevor]

I must admit to being a bit new to all this but can I ask why Bamber supporters continue to flog a dead horse?   Wasn't he found guilty and hasn't he had several appeals all of which were unsuccessful?   You would think that after all this time some closure would have been brought to this ridiculous waste of time and enerygy when he is so obviously a guilty man.

[John]

I must admit to being a bit new to all this but can I ask why Bamber supporters continue to flog a dead horse?   Wasn't he found guilty and hasn't he had several appeals all of which were unsuccessful?   You would think that after all this time some closure would have been brought to this ridiculous waste of time and enerygy when he is so obviously a guilty man.

Perfectly correct trevor.   I believe it is referred to as smoke and mirrors in certain circles.   

[John]

Has anyone read Mike's latest theorising called So and so, said so...?

Another classic Sheila done it scenario this time with a twist.  Apparently she leant the rifle on the 'hot' Aga oven while reloading and before shooting Nevill again.  According to Mike this is how Nevill got the burn marks on the back of his neck.

Lets see    >@@(*&)   Hot Aga?  ...at 3am in a balmy August morning?  I know a lot of people who have kitchen stoves and not one of them runs a stove 24/7 in the months of July and August.  Even if the Aga was on and warm at 3am in the morning it would not have been hot and most certainly never hot enough to super heat the tip of a rifle for any length of time.

Then we have the time of the shootings.  According to Mikes calculations they took place after 3.45am in the morning which puts them occurring after Sgt Bews and PC Myall arrived on the scene.  Did Bews and his colleagues hear any gunfire after arriving at the farmhouse?  Did Jeremy Bamber hear any for that matter as he was standing with them at this juncture?  The answer is an emphatic NO!

Mike also takes the opportunity to introduce the notion of June standing at the bedroom door after 3.45am and suggests that it was her movement which spooked the trio standing outside. So yet again again we have unsubstantiated theories which have little credibility.  Was June speechless, had she lost the power to call for help?

He conveniently forgets to make the slightest reference to the non dishevelled state in which Sheila was found.  David Boutflour put it most succinctly some time back when he referred to her having "...not a hair out of place".  For someone who had just supposedly murdered four people with a rifle and at very close range and fought a pitch battle with her tall fit father she certainly came out of it rather unscathed. This is one piece of evidence Mike will never be able to overcome irrespective of how many balmy theories he comes up with.

[puglove]

Has anyone read Mike's latest theorising called So and so, said so...?

Another classic Sheila done it scenario this time with a twist.  Apparently she leant the rifle on the 'hot' Aga oven while reloading and before shooting Nevill again.  According to Mike this is how Nevill got the burn marks on the back of his neck.

Lets see    >@@(*&)   Hot Aga?  ...at 3am in a balmy August morning?  I know a lot of people who have kitchen stoves and not one of them runs a stove 24/7 in the months of July and August.  Even if the Aga was on and warm at 3am in the morning it would not have been hot and most certainly never hot enough to super heat the tip of a rifle for any length of time.

Then we have the time of the shootings.  According to Mikes calculations they took place after 3.45am in the morning which puts them occurring after Sgt Bews and PC Myall arrived on the scene.  Did Bews and his colleagues hear any gunfire after arriving at the farmhouse?  Did Jeremy Bamber hear any for that matter as he was standing with them at this juncture?  The answer is an emphatic NO!

Mike also takes the opportunity to introduce the notion of June standing at the bedroom door after 3.45am and suggests that it was her movement which spooked the trio standing outside. So yet again again we have unsubstantiated theories which have little credibility.  Was June speechless, had she lost the power to call for help?

He conveniently forgets to make the slightest reference to the non dishevelled state in which Sheila was found.  David Boutflour put it most succinctly some time back when he referred to her having "...not a hair out of place".  For someone who had just supposedly murdered four people with a rifle and at very close range and fought a pitch battle with her tall fit father she certainly came out of it rather unscathed. This is one piece of evidence Mike will never be able to overcome irrespective of how many balmy theories he come up with.

There is no way to prove how fresh those marks on Ralph were (they don't look very fresh.) They were harvesting at the time, it's quite possible that Ralph had accidentally leant on a piece of machinery.

[goatboy]

I must admit to being a bit new to all this but can I ask why Bamber supporters continue to flog a dead horse?   Wasn't he found guilty and hasn't he had several appeals all of which were unsuccessful?   You would think that after all this time some closure would have been brought to this ridiculous waste of time and enerygy when he is so obviously a guilty man.

The blue forum would argue that there is a big conspiracy against Bamber (though oddly they have never produced a credible or plausible reason why they would seek to frame him when the crime scene evidence pointed to someone else) and that there is a multitude of evidence withheld under PII which will prove his innocence. Obviously the establishment will not want to overturn such a conviction. Yet the establishment has time and time again bent over backwards to accommodate his appeals and CCRC referrals. However, you get the idea that they have been so accommodating in the past that they are fed up with continually having to read through "new" evidence which gives no reason at all to reconsider the guilty verdict. How much money has this cost the state? How many man hours has it taken up which could be spent considering genuine miscarriages of justice? The idea that there is some kind of conspiracy when in fact the state has been very generous in considering appeal after appeal by Bamber's lawyers is kind of laughable. Some on the blue forum to be fair to them do admit that the future for Jeremy does look bleak though others seem ridiculously optimistic and seem genuinely certain that a key piece of evidence which will prove his innocence will miraculously appear soon.

The facts are that Bamber had the means, the motive and the opportunity to commit the murders. For many reasons Sheila could not possibly have been responsible. It's a hell of a coincidence that everyone who stood in Bamber's way of inheriting a fortune just happened to be murdered in one go. They can labour over the fine details of the evidence all they like but the fact is with the alleged phone call from Bamber senior this meant either Bamber was telling the truth about the phone call and Sheila committed the murders or Bamber lied about the phone call to give him an alibi. There are NO other possibilities regardless of what nonsense they spout over there about drugs gangs, or a criminal who was anxious to get revenge on Nevill who in his position as a magistrate may have put someone in prison for 6 months (which in practice probably would not exceed 3 months, they don't seem to realise that magistrates are not judges and their powers of sentencing very small, they would never deliberate over a serious crime as this would be an instant referral to Crown Court).

Though I did see an interesting theory on the Blue forum today stating that the twins could have been killed last as why would someone risk wasting so many bullets on two sleeping children when there were bigger adversaries to face and risk delay by reloading? A good point but in my opinion I think the first shots were clinical and effective and whoever did the murders went back after everyone else was dead to make the shootings look a bit more frenzied, as if to make it look like they were done by someone a bit unhinged. And who would possibly have a reason to do that?

[John]

I notice Tesko has locked down the topic and is chirping away to himself like a demented budgerigar.   He's also back to the old 'Woodcock shot Sheila' bollocks which if I am not wrong is a gross defamation of the officer. 

I personally find this quite distasteful coming as it is from a career criminal like Teskowski, I wonder if any of the blue forum members feel the same or are they too scared to say so?

It is interesting to note from PC Woodstock's statement that he refers to the soles of Sheila's feet being 'spotlessly clean' and that there were finger marks in blood on June's throat.

[Myster]

Has anyone read Mike's latest theorising called So and so, said so...?

Another classic Sheila done it scenario this time with a twist.  Apparently she leant the rifle on the 'hot' Aga oven while reloading and before shooting Nevill again.  According to Mike this is how Nevill got the burn marks on the back of his neck.

Lets see    >@@(*&)   Hot Aga?  ...at 3am in a balmy August morning?  I know a lot of people who have kitchen stoves and not one of them runs a stove 24/7 in the months of July and August.  Even if the Aga was on and warm at 3am in the morning it would not have been hot and most certainly never hot enough to super heat the tip of a rifle for any length of time.

Only the police, possibly Barbara Wilson or Jean Bouttell and Jeremy Bamber himself would have known if the AGA was lit that morning. (vidvic may know through his contact with the family)

But assuming it was coke-fired and alight on idle, even if the rifle end wasn't used, another implement such as one hung up on the right could have been used to remove the filler plug in the boiling plate and then inserted in the combustion chamber or inserted through the lower fire door. It wouldn't  have taken very long to bring it up to branding temperature and used to inflict the marks, to test if he was still alive or simply for malicious intent.

If it was for the first reason it begs the question as to why he didn't feel for a wrist pulse. Maybe he didn't know how..., or it didn't cross his mind..., or he was mindful of leaving blooded fingerprint evidence.




Perhaps Shona could be on the right tack with them being caused by contact with hot farm machinery... who knows?

Even if it is eventually proved that the rifle end was responsible it doesn't necessarily follow that the moderator wasn't fitted at all that morning.

[Angelo222]

The evidence aside, I personally don't believe for a moment that Sheila could have murdered her father or hurt him in any way.  She certainly wasn't capable of taking him on in a scrap as Nevill could have taken her down with a single swipe.

I read a post by Patti yesterday where she refers to the lack of marks on both Sheila and Jeremy.  As usual Patti is wrong as jeremy did have marks on his arm.  In addition, there is a very big difference between a scantily clad and barefoot Sheila and a fully clothed booted Jeremy.  I must say Patti, your belief in an outsider being responsible just underlines the fact that you still fail to understand the facts in this case.

[Angelo222]

In addition, Nevill would not have telephoned Jeremy at 3am if Sheila was acting strangely. He would have dealt with her as he did in the past, he was well capable of dealing with her.   Also, Nevill would never have permitted a rifle and ammunition to lie around the kitchen with two young boys in the farmhouse. Jeremy's story that he left the weapon on the settle is garbage. He made that tale up simply to give some credibility to his story that Sheila had the gun.

[goatboy]

It cannot be realistically argued that Jeremy was examined and showed no signs of a struggle. Jeremy was not a suspect for a long time so he had plenty of time for any marks to heal before his eventual arrest. It's interesting that in his police interviews they pointed out to him that he appeared overdressed when he went to WHF, was he trying to hide anything by wearing so many clothes? I do wonder what he did with all of his bloodstained clothing etc. I know he had plenty of time to dispose of it in the aftermath of the crime while he was not a suspect but he couldn't have relied on the fact the police would be less than thorough in their investigations. He certainly couldn't have left anything incriminating in his house immediately after the murders just in case the police wanted to rule out other scenarios than the murder/suicide it appeared to be.

[ActualMat]

Goatboy - the over-dressed/hiding marks is something I've never thought of before.