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Offline Myster

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #510 on: December 26, 2012, 10:32:58 AM »

Wittering away Christmas Eve...., Christmas Day...., Boxing Day... 24/7... 365... the man's totally obsessed with getting one up on the police!

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It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Admin

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #511 on: December 26, 2012, 12:15:38 PM »
Dr Vanezis in his statement seemed to think it would have been possible for Sheila to move and even walk around after the first shot. Unfortunately for the blue forum, regardless of what Vanezis says the photos show no evidence whatsoever that she did.

Also what the blue forum don't seem to get is that whoever did the murders went to a lot of effort to cover their tracks and make sure they were forensically clean. It makes no sense that Sheila would have gone out of her way to clean up after herself even if she could, given that she just planned to do herself in anyway. So even if Sheila could have actually committed the murders it is very unlikely she would have cleaned herself up. It is very unlikely she would have been so anxious to stop Nevill reaching the phone, knowing that even if he did call the police the response time would not have been particularly rapid so she would have had enough time to do whatever it was she planned to do. So if we accept it was either Sheila or Jeremy, who had the motive to stop Nevill getting to the phone by any means necessary in case it meant the game was up? Who had the motive to cover their tracks to make themselves forensically clean? The answer in both cases is not Sheila, so that only leaves one suspect.

Where did you read that comment goatboy?

According to Dr Vanezis' Report dated 30 September 1985, "The palms and fingers were not contaminated with blood." (page 275)   Dr Vanezis makes no reference to her lower limbs or feet in his report but the first police responders stated that they were spotlessly clean.

In Dr Vanezis' Report dated 7 May 1986 he stated, "In my view with regards to the mobility of the victim in regards to the first wound it is my opinion, taking into account the blood distribution internal and external from the first wound that the deceased had not got up and moved prior to receiving the second wound which would have been instantaneously fatal." (page 409)

The blood trails on Sheila's neck evidenced her inability to walk or even move to any great extent after the first shot. 

In his later Report dated 12 November 1986 Dr Vanezis was scathing of the police actions.  He clearly indicates that he was given a bum steer by the police into thinking it was  four murders and a suicide.  He states that had he seen the crime scene photos at an earlier stage his intial views would have changed. Specially he states,

Had I attended the scene I would without doubt have been concerned,

(a) at the cleanliness of Sheila. (Far more dramatic than seeing body at mortuary).

(b) Position of rifle - appears too obvious.

(c) Position of Bible - on top of arm.

I have no doubt I would have insisted on the attendance of ballistics and biology experts at the scene prior to removal of the body.



Or to put this into simple language, Dr Vanezis was shocked when he saw the crime scene photos after he had conducted the autopsy in the mortuary.  It is crystal clear that he was concerned that he had not been asked to attend the murder scene at an early stage.  Had he done so he would have insisted on these experts being called as the scene as existed was extremely suspicious.  Essex Police made a complete pigs ear of the initial investigation and were completely misled by Jeremy Bamber as to what had occurred. The blame lay firmly at the feet of the then DI's Cook and Miller who told Dr Vanezis that the case was 'straightforward' and that no ballistics were required.  What a couple of prize nuggets!
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Offline John

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #512 on: December 26, 2012, 01:53:18 PM »
I hadn't read too much into this before but it is clear that Dr Vanezis was extremely critical of the initial police responses and especially their inaction in relation to such a dreadful murder scene.  Jeremy Bamber seems to have sold them such a plausible lie that experienced police officers fell for it hook line and sinker.  It was only after the very experienced DS Jones became involved that the true extent of the lie began to unravel and whole story was revealed.

I have no doubt that if it hadn't been for Jones a mass murderer would have escaped justice.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Admin

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #513 on: December 26, 2012, 02:03:58 PM »
I hadn't read too much into this before but it is clear that Dr Vanezis was extremely critical of the initial police responses and especially their inaction in relation to such a dreadful murder scene.  Jeremy Bamber seems to have sold them such a plausible lie that experienced police officers fell for it hook line and sinker.  It was only after the very experienced DS Jones became involved that the true extent of the lie began to unravel and whole story was revealed.

I have no doubt that if it hadn't been for Jones a mass murderer would have escaped justice.

Dr Vanezis sums this up quite nicely when he states in one of his Reports that the scene which met police officers that morning was quite simply unbelievable and the thought that Jeremy Bamber could have done it simply didn't register with them.  For Jeremy to have done it he would have had to have been a 'nutter'!

Offline Angelo222

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #514 on: December 26, 2012, 02:26:02 PM »
I hadn't read too much into this before but it is clear that Dr Vanezis was extremely critical of the initial police responses and especially their inaction in relation to such a dreadful murder scene.  Jeremy Bamber seems to have sold them such a plausible lie that experienced police officers fell for it hook line and sinker.  It was only after the very experienced DS Jones became involved that the true extent of the lie began to unravel and whole story was revealed.

I have no doubt that if it hadn't been for Jones a mass murderer would have escaped justice.

Dr Vanezis sums this up quite nicely when he states in one of his Reports that the scene which met police officers that morning was quite simply unbelievable and the thought that Jeremy Bamber could have done it simply didn't register with them.  For Jeremy to have done it he would have had to have been a 'nutter'!

This is so important that it should have its own thread possibly entitled Dr Vanezis thought the police inept?
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Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #515 on: December 26, 2012, 03:36:05 PM »
Who is Simon Jones on the blue forum? Ray someone but I don't know who but he's obviously 'well up' on Jeremy's case and also Simons.

Offline Myster

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #516 on: December 26, 2012, 03:46:59 PM »
Who is Simon Jones on the blue forum? Ray someone but I don't know who but he's obviously 'well up' on Jeremy's case and also Simons.

If you read the full thread ngb identified him...,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/suffolk/hi/people_and_places/arts_and_culture/newsid_9346000/9346058.stm

It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

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Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #517 on: December 26, 2012, 03:56:18 PM »
 8((()*/ Thank you.
I think I saw a documentary with him on a while ago or a news report talking about the book he wrote about Steve wright.

Offline Myster

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #518 on: December 26, 2012, 05:04:00 PM »
Who is Simon Jones on the blue forum? Ray someone but I don't know who but he's obviously 'well up' on Jeremy's case and also Simons.

His name is Ray Hollingsworth. He wrote a book about the Ipswich murders as he was a paying client and knew many of the girls personally.  He has little involvement in the Bamber case and spent a mere few months looking into the Hall case.  I would take anything he says with a very big pinch of salt.   @)(++(*

Other than the fact that he now "thinks Jeremy Bamber did kill his 'family'."

It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Angelo222

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #519 on: December 26, 2012, 05:09:38 PM »
Who is Simon Jones on the blue forum? Ray someone but I don't know who but he's obviously 'well up' on Jeremy's case and also Simons.

His name is Ray Hollingsworth. He wrote a book about the Ipswich murders as he was a paying client and knew many of the girls personally.  He has little involvement in the Bamber case and spent a mere few months looking into the Hall case.  I would take anything he says with a very big pinch of salt.   @)(++(*

Other than the fact that he now "thinks Jeremy Bamber did kill his 'family'."

Has he made his mind up?  I thought he was undecided last time he posted.  I take it all back then.   8@??)( @)(++(*
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Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #520 on: December 26, 2012, 05:12:29 PM »
According to Ray, Jeremy is guilty as charged, Simon innocent because the prison screws said so. The only time I heard them say it was about Edward Earl Johnson but they still executed him.
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Offline Myster

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #521 on: December 26, 2012, 05:19:59 PM »
Who is Simon Jones on the blue forum? Ray someone but I don't know who but he's obviously 'well up' on Jeremy's case and also Simons.

His name is Ray Hollingsworth. He wrote a book about the Ipswich murders as he was a paying client and knew many of the girls personally.  He has little involvement in the Bamber case and spent a mere few months looking into the Hall case.  I would take anything he says with a very big pinch of salt.   @)(++(*

Other than the fact that he now "thinks Jeremy Bamber did kill his 'family'."

Has he made his mind up?  I thought he was undecided last time he posted.  I take it all back then.   8@??)( @)(++(*

That's what you've got a mind for David... so you can change it!  @)(++(*

It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

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Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #522 on: December 26, 2012, 05:43:25 PM »
Miss Marple eat your heart out!

Offline Myster

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #523 on: December 27, 2012, 05:10:05 PM »

Has Ray Hollingsworth been a member here before, John..... I seem to remember him either posting or your good self referring to/conversing with him a while ago?

It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Admin

Re: Jeremy Bamber - Debunking Mike Tesko's strange theories
« Reply #524 on: December 27, 2012, 05:13:52 PM »

Has Ray Hollingsworth been a member here before, John..... I seem to remember him either posting or your good self referring to/conversing with him a while ago?

He is still a member here.