The locked front door versus the unlocked rear patio door issue.

[Mr Gray]

are you sure the re is no access to the front door simply by walking a further 20 feet past the steps and turning left directly at the end of the building

[pathfinder73]

No it's a wall you can't turn in there. The red arrow line is the route you have to take unless you use the pathway.

[Mr Gray]

No this red arrow line is the route you have to take unless you use the pathway.

Ok ..this is Gerrys statement....

Gerry 4th May

Thus, at 9.05 pm, the deponent entered the club, using his key, the door being locked,


Whats the "club"

[pathfinder73]

Ok ..this is Gerrys statement....

Gerry 4th May

Thus, at 9.05 pm, the deponent entered the club, using his key, the door being locked,


Whats the "club"

That's the apartment. What else has he got a key for?

[jassi]

Was no sort of key/card required to get into the Ocean Club, or could people just walk in through the reception area??

[pathfinder73]

so who called it a club

Ocean CLUB apartments.

[peter claridge]

Strange is it not that the Oldfields and Tanner/O'Brien didn't also make use of their patio doors to check on their offspring?

[Carana]

So Amaral immediately assumes that Gerry was lying, rather than even questioning whether there could have been any confusion in what Gerry was actually asked, what he said, what the interpreter understood and relayed, and what the PJ officer actually wrote down?

On another (old) thread, we established that the UK (and no doubt other countries) don't call for professional interpreters in the immediate aftermath of a drama, but then I'm not aware that possible confusion wouldn't be taken into account.

Perhaps it depends on how the police perceive their role...

A solution for the future may be to record the interviews requiring an interpreter.

[peter claridge]

So Amaral immediately assumes that Gerry was lying, rather than even questioning whether there could have been any confusion in what Gerry was actually asked, what he said, what the interpreter understood and relayed, and what the PJ officer actually wrote down?

On another (old) thread, we established that the UK (and no doubt other countries) don't call for professional interpreters in the immediate aftermath of a drama, but then I'm not aware that possible confusion wouldn't be taken into account.

Perhaps it depends on how the police perceive their role...

A solution for the future may be to record the interviews requiring an interpreter.

At 10pm, his wife Kate went to check on the children. She went into the apartment through the door using her key and saw right away that the children’s bedroom door was completely open, the window was also open, the shutters raised and the curtains drawn open. The side door that opens into the living room, which as said earlier, was never locked, was closed.

[pathfinder73]

Gonçalo Amaral: Gerald McCann himself goes as far as to say that when he came to see his daughter at about 9pm, that he does not enter through here [sliding doors]; even though he was in a hurry to reach the bathroom. Yet he chooses to walk the longest path [round gesture with extended arm], to open the door [main entrance] with the key. There is a report from Control Risks, the first private detective agency which was brought to the case [by the McCanns] in the very first days, where they state, after speaking with Gerald McCann and other witnesses in that group [Tapas 9], that the key that Mr. Gerald McCann alleges to have used had in fact been left in the kitchen, in the kitchen’s counter. Right away, the lies started. Moreover, in order to have an abductor he would have had to enter through here [sliding doors]. Apart from the fact that there are no traces of a break-in, there aren't any fingerprints, he could have used gloves for example, in any case the entry would have to be done through here. There are no signs of a forced entry anywhere; not in the door nor in the window. There is a simulation, as if someone wishes to make others believe that the bedroom window was the passage point of the child, which, in our firm belief, could not have taken place.

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2012/03/maddie-case-goncalo-amaral-returns-to.html

[Mr Gray]

Gonçalo Amaral: Gerald McCann himself goes as far as to say that when he came to see his daughter at about 9pm, that he does not enter through here [sliding doors]; even though he was in a hurry to reach the bathroom. Yet he chooses to walk the longest path [round gesture with extended arm], to open the door [main entrance] with the key. There is a report from Control Risks, the first private detective agency which was brought to the case [by the McCanns] in the very first days, where they state, after speaking with Gerald McCann and other witnesses in that group [Tapas 9], that the key that Mr. Gerald McCann alleges to have used had in fact been left in the kitchen, in the kitchen’s counter. Right away, the lies started. Moreover, in order to have an abductor he would have had to enter through here [sliding doors]. Apart from the fact that there are no traces of a break-in, there aren't any fingerprints, he could have used gloves for example, in any case the entry would have to be done through here. There are no signs of a forced entry anywhere; not in the door nor in the window. There is a simulation, as if someone wishes to make others believe that the bedroom window was the passage point of the child, which, in our firm belief, could not have taken place.

Do you have anything to support this statement...apart from amaral

[Mr Gray]

Gonçalo Amaral: Gerald McCann himself goes as far as to say that when he came to see his daughter at about 9pm, that he does not enter through here [sliding doors]; even though he was in a hurry to reach the bathroom. Yet he chooses to walk the longest path [round gesture with extended arm], to open the door [main entrance] with the key. There is a report from Control Risks, the first private detective agency which was brought to the case [by the McCanns] in the very first days, where they state, after speaking with Gerald McCann and other witnesses in that group [Tapas 9], that the key that Mr. Gerald McCann alleges to have used had in fact been left in the kitchen, in the kitchen’s counter. Right away, the lies started. Moreover, in order to have an abductor he would have had to enter through here [sliding doors]. Apart from the fact that there are no traces of a break-in, there aren't any fingerprints, he could have used gloves for example, in any case the entry would have to be done through here. There are no signs of a forced entry anywhere; not in the door nor in the window. There is a simulation, as if someone wishes to make others believe that the bedroom window was the passage point of the child, which, in our firm belief, could not have taken place.

here was a documentary with three british experts which showed a photograph of fingerprints on the outside of the shutters...these fingerprints have never been identified. you are putting all your faith in amaral who was sacked and is now thought to have been completely wrong

[Fern]

Gonçalo Amaral: Gerald McCann himself goes as far as to say that when he came to see his daughter at about 9pm, that he does not enter through here [sliding doors]; even though he was in a hurry to reach the bathroom. Yet he chooses to walk the longest path [round gesture with extended arm], to open the door [main entrance] with the key. There is a report from Control Risks, the first private detective agency which was brought to the case [by the McCanns] in the very first days, where they state, after speaking with Gerald McCann and other witnesses in that group [Tapas 9], that the key that Mr. Gerald McCann alleges to have used had in fact been left in the kitchen, in the kitchen’s counter. Right away, the lies started. Moreover, in order to have an abductor he would have had to enter through here [sliding doors]. Apart from the fact that there are no traces of a break-in, there aren't any fingerprints, he could have used gloves for example, in any case the entry would have to be done through here. There are no signs of a forced entry anywhere; not in the door nor in the window. There is a simulation, as if someone wishes to make others believe that the bedroom window was the passage point of the child, which, in our firm belief, could not have taken place.

There were 4 keys for 5A front door, one in reception, one for cleaners/maintenance and 2 for occupants, therefore it's quite possible that one key was left inside apartment.

[Mr Gray]

I'm putting my faith in SY...amaral is contradicted by the archiving which said there was no evidence of a crime against the mccanns

[pathfinder73]

So, in short we are unable to examine what possible motivation there may have been for staging an abduction by opening a window and claiming it had been "jemmied" whilst simultaneously trying to convince the world that the abductor entered via the unlocked patio doors...?

First statements locked key to enter. Second statement unlocked patio door to enter. Why? It certainly sets up the abductor to enter and move the door which is first mentioned in the 2nd statement. Did they know Tanner had seen that man before the window was opened. No of course that hadn't. Dianne Webster was checking the shutters for Kate straight after the alarm has been raised so they can't change it. They were ringing family members about the jemmied shutters before they knew about the man Tanner saw. Tannerman changed everything and they will never drop him as being the abductor. Look at their website.

http://www.findmadeleine.com/campaigns/unidentified_people.html