The locked front door versus the unlocked rear patio door issue.

[stephen25000]

Ahh I see it all now.  This is an alternative theory to the abduction one?    Sorry but I've never seen a shred of evidence to believe that Madeleine was not abducted.    And I certainly don't believe that her parents or any of their friends are the insane raving psychopaths which IMO they would all have to be -  to be capable of disposing of a dead little girl's body - as if it was really nothing too serious and so they didn't have to think twice about doing it.      Not a chance IMO.

How about one shred of evidence she was abducted ?

Now there would be a novelty.

Doctors have been known to commit crimes .

..........and you don't have to be a psychopath to commit a crime.

It is interesting to observe though the old 'psychopath' ploy emerging once again.

[John]

Maybe he was right the first time and decided to use the front entrance to save having to open and close two gates and a most likely creaky patio door.  Sliding patio doors are renowned for their noise as evidenced again by Mrs Fenn's observations.

He did say in the video that they used the front door then stopped suggesting that it somehow disturbed the children.

Wasn't it also the case that Gerry was in the habit of entering the apartment by the front door when they got home after the days activities whilst Kate would go up to the patio door to be let in. I assume they each carried a twin and Maddie walked.

[pathfinder73]

He said he did his first visual check of the week in that doc. Another routine change. He wouldn't have to open the door to do a visual check on the kids if it was always half-open like Matt found it It's very interesting that he didn't mention the door being half-open and strange in his first statement on his check.

"at 9.05 pm, the deponent entered the club, using his key, the door being locked, and went to the children's bedroom and noted that the twins and Madeleine were in perfect condition. He then went to the toilet, where he remained for a few instants, left the apartment."

[Eleanor]

Perhaps that is because you blatantly disregard other evidence when it is presented to you.

Two differing statements by Gerry about gaining entry to the apartment which should begin to raise doubts about the truthfulness of Gerry's statements. Instead you turn a blind eye and fall back on your usual BS of blaming the interpreter, blaming the PJ, in fact blaming anybody but your darling Gerry.

You are wrong Benice. The statements are enough proof to back this claim. Anything else on your part is nothing more than wishful thinking.

What difference does it make which door Gerry used, or when?

[stephen25000]

What difference does it make which door Gerry used, or when?

Do you know for sure any of the doors were unlocked ?

Wasn't mentioned on the first Crimewatch program, was it ?

[Benice]

Perhaps that is because you blatantly disregard other evidence when it is presented to you.

Two differing statements by Gerry about gaining entry to the apartment which should begin to raise doubts about the truthfulness of Gerry's statements. Instead you turn a blind eye and fall back on your usual BS of blaming the interpreter, blaming the PJ, in fact blaming anybody but your darling Gerry.

You are wrong Benice. The statements are enough proof to back this claim. Anything else on your part is nothing more than wishful thinking.

I haven't blamed anyone for misunderstandings which may have occurred during that first interview.   It was the first time for all concerned.  Gerry had not just come out of the worst nightmare to be suffered by any parent   - he was still descending into it and would be physically and mentally exhausted and hoping  against hope that any minute there would be news of Madeleine.  There would be long gaps whilst the interpretor translated and retranslated and while the officer typed out the answers.   Do you think Gerry was sitting there calmly or would his thoughts be all over the place? 

It was the first introduction to the case for the interpretor and the PJ officer conducting the interview.   The language barrier would be great disadvantage to all concerned IMO - even more so if they had no idea of the layout of 5A at that point.

No-one is to blame - but those particular circumstances were ripe for mistakes to have happened.

Without knowing the reasons given by Gerry for correcting that first statement it is not possible IMO to come to the conclusion that he lied.   If this was such a big deal - then why is there no mention of the reasons he gave in his second interview.  Surely they would have been recorded in detail if there was any suspicion at that time that he had lied in his first interview?   

[Benice]

The only known evidence is that Gerry changed his first statement and we have not been given any details as to why.   Without that evidence in the files  -  it's not possible for us to know enough to claim Gerry lied.   That's just plain common sense.

A view of the the verbatim notes takes by the PJ officer (at both interviews) - who I presume then went on to make a condensed summary from them would probably have given us the answer.    We have not been privy to those notes, but maybe SY have.

[Carana]

The only known evidence is that Gerry changed his first statement and we have not been given any details as to why.   Without that evidence in the files  -  it's not possible for us to know enough to claim Gerry lied.   That's just plain common sense.

A view of the the verbatim notes takes by the PJ officer (at both interviews) - who I presume then went on to make a condensed summary from them would probably have given us the answer.    We have not been privy to those notes, but maybe SY have.

"Verbatim" notes? Someone very probably made notes, possibly both the interpreter and the police officer as scribbles on paper. The 4 May interviews were just to understand the basic situation and get the ball rolling in an emergency situation and in chaotic circumstances.

I have never understood why some people, starting with the coordinator, haven't taken context into consideration and decided that someone is necessarily lying when there may simply have been misunderstandings due to pressure, little sleep, inadequate resources, the language barrier and whatever else.

[Fern]

Maybe he was right the first time and decided to use the front entrance to save having to open and close two gates and a most likely creaky patio door.  Sliding patio doors are renowned for their noise as evidenced again by Mrs Fenn's observations.

He did say in the video that they used the front door then stopped suggesting that it somehow disturbed the children.

Wasn't it also the case that Gerry was in the habit of entering the apartment by the front door when they got home after the days activities whilst Kate would go up to the patio door to be let in. I assume they each carried a twin and Maddie walked.

I suspect you are correct.

[Carana]

Maybe he was right the first time and decided to use the front entrance to save having to open and close two gates and a most likely creaky patio door.  Sliding patio doors are renowned for their noise as evidenced again by Mrs Fenn's observations.

He did say in the video that they used the front door then stopped suggesting that it somehow disturbed the children.

Wasn't it also the case that Gerry was in the habit of entering the apartment by the front door when they got home after the days activities whilst Kate would go up to the patio door to be let in. I assume they each carried a twin and Maddie walked.

I had thought about that, but it doesn't seem to make sense. His initial statement also says that Kate had done the same (same phrase), but Kate has never said that. That's one reason why I think the point of entrance in Gerry's initial statement is a misunderstanding.

The main door is right next to the children's bedroom... wouldn't that make more noise than opening a bottom gate and a baby gate with a closed veranda sliding door?

Why wouldn't Matt have been given a key if the front door had been deemed less noisy and was the normal entrance for checking?

[pathfinder73]

I suspect you are correct.

Going to the toilet and speaking to Jez for 3 minutes does not account for the time that he was away. I think 5A was locked for a very good reason at 8:30 and he had to use the key to enter at 9. I'm sure you bright sparks can figure it out.

[jassi]

That could explain his visit so soon after Matt.  He had to go because he had something to do that had to be done before Kate was due to visit at 9.30.

[pathfinder73]

That could explain his visit so soon after Matt.  He had to go because he had something to do that had to be done before Kate was due to visit at 9.30.

Matt thought it was very strange after he had just listened at the window and Gerry does his first visual check the week. Another routine change   >@@(*&)

[John]

Going to the toilet and speaking to Jez for 3 minutes does not account for the time that he was away. I think 5A was locked for a very good reason at 8:30 and he had to use the key to enter at 9. I'm sure you bright sparks can figure it out.

Wasn't Jane Tanner party to a discussion at the tapas to the effect that Gerry was away for so long because he was watching football on TV. Didn't she consider saying as much to him as she passed him in the street while chatting to Jes but thought better of it.

[pathfinder73]

Wasn't Jane Tanner party to a discussion at the tapas to the effect that Gerry was away for so long because he was watching football on TV. Didn't she consider saying as much to him as she passed him in the street while chatting to Jes but thought better of it.

It looked like Gerry had a rocket up his ass when Jane said that on the doc - Kate said you were watching footy. Did you see how quick he moved and changed subject