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Offline Benice

Re: The locked front door versus the unlocked rear patio door issue.
« Reply #75 on: May 27, 2014, 08:02:42 AM »
Quote from: pathfinder73 on May 26, 2014, 09:58:45 PM
It looked like Gerry had a rocket up his ass when Jane said that on the doc - Kate said you were watching footy. Did you see how quick he moved and changed subject @)(++(*

I must have been watching a different doc.  They were discussing their differing  memories of where Jez and Gerry were standing - so no change of subject .   Why on earth would Gerry want to quickly change the subject just because JT said Kate was moaning because she thought he might be watching football?  Are we supposed to read something 'suspicious' into that?   Why would Gerry not want that fact to be mentioned.   I don't get it.


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Offline slartibartfast

Re: The locked front door versus the unlocked rear patio door issue.
« Reply #76 on: May 27, 2014, 08:29:11 AM »
Quote from: Benice on May 27, 2014, 08:02:42 AM
I must have been watching a different doc.  They were discussing their differing  memories of where Jez and Gerry were standing - so no change of subject .   Why on earth would Gerry want to quickly change the subject just because JT said Kate was moaning because she thought he might be watching football?  Are we supposed to read something 'suspicious' into that?   Why would Gerry not want that fact to be mentioned.   I don't get it.

Suspicion and a good imagination are key attributes of a good detective.
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Offline Benice

Re: The locked front door versus the unlocked rear patio door issue.
« Reply #77 on: May 27, 2014, 08:53:37 AM »
Quote from: Slartibartfast on May 27, 2014, 08:29:11 AM
Suspicion and a good imagination are key attributes of a good detective.

By no stretch of the imagination can I work out why Gerry would want to quickly change the subject away from the fact that Kate had said he might be watching the football.   So what?

Maybe you can enlighten me?
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: The locked front door versus the unlocked rear patio door issue.
« Reply #78 on: May 27, 2014, 11:22:52 AM »
Quote from: Benice on May 27, 2014, 08:53:37 AM
By no stretch of the imagination can I work out why Gerry would want to quickly change the subject away from the fact that Kate had said he might be watching the football.   So what?

Maybe you can enlighten me?

Maybe you can show me in his truthful and honest statements where he says he was watching the football and that's the reason why he was away for so long from the table?
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Offline Eleanor

Re: The locked front door versus the unlocked rear patio door issue.
« Reply #79 on: May 27, 2014, 01:11:11 PM »
Quote from: pathfinder73 on May 27, 2014, 11:22:52 AM
Maybe you can show me in his truthful and honest statements where he says he was watching the football and that's the reason why he was away for so long from the table?

Gerry never said he was watching the football.  It was just a joke by the other people at the Tapas Bar.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: The locked front door versus the unlocked rear patio door issue.
« Reply #80 on: May 27, 2014, 01:34:31 PM »
Quote from: Eleanor on May 27, 2014, 01:11:11 PM
Gerry never said he was watching the football.  It was just a joke by the other people at the Tapas Bar.

I know he wasn't watching football so that doesn't cover his absence.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: The locked front door versus the unlocked rear patio door issue.
« Reply #81 on: May 27, 2014, 01:58:18 PM »
Quote from: jassi on May 27, 2014, 01:49:03 PM
A two stage journey, perhaps.

It might have been, if there weren't witnesses to say that Gerry was at The Tapas Bar when Kate reported Madeleine missing.

Bloody hell, you would have these people dashing about in a demented frenzy.
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Offline jassi

Re: The locked front door versus the unlocked rear patio door issue.
« Reply #82 on: May 27, 2014, 02:07:42 PM »
Quote from: Eleanor on May 27, 2014, 01:58:18 PM
It might have been, if there weren't witnesses to say that Gerry was at The Tapas Bar when Kate reported Madeleine missing.

Bloody hell, you would have these people dashing about in a demented frenzy.

That could very well be the case
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: The locked front door versus the unlocked rear patio door issue.
« Reply #83 on: May 27, 2014, 02:10:10 PM »
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Offline Benice

Re: The locked front door versus the unlocked rear patio door issue.
« Reply #84 on: May 27, 2014, 03:14:58 PM »
Quote from: pathfinder73 on May 27, 2014, 11:22:52 AM
Maybe you can show me in his truthful and honest statements where he says he was watching the football and that's the reason why he was away for so long from the table?

He wasn't watching football.  He didn't say he was watching football.    It was a suggestion made by Kate back at the table for why he was gone longer than usual.

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                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Eleanor

Re: The locked front door versus the unlocked rear patio door issue.
« Reply #85 on: May 27, 2014, 03:26:36 PM »
Quote from: Benice on May 27, 2014, 03:14:58 PM
He wasn't watching football.  He didn't say he was watching football.    It was a suggestion made by Kate back at the table for why he was gone longer than usual.

I despair.
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Offline Albertini

Re: The locked front door versus the unlocked rear patio door issue.
« Reply #86 on: May 28, 2014, 01:08:32 PM »
Gerry McCann Statement 4th May 2007

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Thus, at 9.05 pm, the deponent entered the club, using his key, the door being locked, and went to the children's bedroom and noted that the twins and Madeleine were in perfect condition

Kate McCann Statement 4th May 2007

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He entered the apartment through a glass sliding door at the side that was always unlocked and once inside, he had not gone into the children's bedroom. He remained at the bedroom door, listening for noise and observing the beds. He went back to the restaurant and said that everything was fine.

At around 10pm, the witness came to check on the children. She went into the apartment by the side door, which was closed, but unlocked, as already said, and immediately noticed that the door to her children's bedroom was completely open, the window was also open, the shutters raised and the curtains open, while she was certain of having closed them all as she always did.

Gerry McCann Statement 10th May 2007

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Despite what he said in his previous statements, he states now and with certainty, that he left with KATE through the back door which he consequently closed but did not lock, given that that is only possible from the inside. Concerning the front door, although he is certain that it was closed, it is unlikely that it was locked, because they left through the back door.

Rachael Oldfield Statement 17th May 2007

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The window shutters of the McCann's apartment were closed. The patio door that they used to enter the apartment also had its shutter closed. In order to enter they had to raise the shutter.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: The locked front door versus the unlocked rear patio door issue.
« Reply #87 on: May 28, 2014, 04:01:21 PM »
Quote from: Albertini on May 28, 2014, 01:08:32 PM
Gerry McCann Statement 4th May 2007

Kate McCann Statement 4th May 2007

Gerry McCann Statement 10th May 2007

Rachael Oldfield Statement 17th May 2007

what a garbled mess these twice translated statements are...its such a shame we don't know what they actually said
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Martina

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Re: The locked front door versus the unlocked rear patio door issue.
« Reply #88 on: May 28, 2014, 04:07:02 PM »
Quote from: davel on May 28, 2014, 04:01:21 PM
what a garbled mess these twice translated statements are...its such a shame we don't know what they actually said

Of course it is a garbled mess only, when these statements do not support the abduction theory, and show the inconsistences in what the McCanns said. Yup.

If you want to use this argument, you should stop using the excerpts from these statements to support your thesis in the discussions here. You cannot have it both ways.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: The locked front door versus the unlocked rear patio door issue.
« Reply #89 on: May 28, 2014, 04:15:48 PM »
Quote from: Martina on May 28, 2014, 04:07:02 PM
Of course it is a garbled mess only, when these statements do not support the abduction theory, and show the inconsistences in what the McCanns said. Yup.

If you want to use this argument, you should stop using the excerpts from these statements to support your thesis in the discussions here. You cannot have it both ways.

I don't use these statements to support anything...as I said it would be very interesting to know what they actually said...I'm sure Gerry didn't say he used his key to enter the club
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