Bamber tries to sell nude pictures of Sheila to The Sun newspaper

[ISpyWithMyEye]

a) when you drill down there's zero evidence against JB. b) yes the tabloids did have a field day and it cost them some 500k as the McCanns were able to instruct the best libel lawyers in the land.  Conversely JB's defence at trial was funded by legal aid.

Jeremy Bamber still managed to get one of the top QC’s in the land, though!

Barristers don’t care if they’re paid privately or through Legal Aid...

So, what you’re saying, Holly, is that the McCann’s weren’t charged because they had THE BEST legal team money could buy. So in that case, as Jeremy had THE BEST legal team too — how comes he wasn’t found innocent?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

JM's wit stat mentions bugging.

It's officially documented that officers went to her shared house ostensibly to check the alarm clocks.

Police searched SC's flat for diaries etc.

Plenty of opportunity for bugging.  Plus JB was under surveillance for a period of time.

It's well known hacks and the police work hand in glove feeding off one another.

Those from the MM board will have knowledge of dodgy cops, leaks, tabloids, grubby hacks.

The police did the bugging, Holly, because they were rightly suspicious of Jeremy and had him under surveillance to collect intelligence in him.  If you think the police would blab to the press whilst collecting evidence — for the papers to ALERT Jeremy — you’re devoid of all logic and knowledge.

Incidentally, someone mentioned that June had photos of Sheila in her bureau. Yes, she did. Harmless topless photos, the type seen on Page 3 every day in The Sun, which Colin had taken. So what?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

a)there is evidence against SC its the reason senior officers at soc and the police surgeon considered the soc murder/suicide.  Its the reason the pathologist found no evidence to contradict murder/suicide when carrying out the pm's.  Its the reason the only dissenter was a low ranking officer who offered nothing of evidential value.  Its the reason why an independent review said all the evidence pointed to SC.

b) the tabloids had a field day until it was stopped in its tracks by the McCanns legal team which resulted in a 500k settlement and a front page apology.

Cite please for this “evidence” against Sheila...

 

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Yes and how did the officers gain entry?  They had to take a sledgehammer to the back door because all the doors were locked from within and all ground floor windows secured from within.  Meaning the perp was inside.

The relatives later concluded it was possible to exit and leave a window secured from within but no one knows how this worked in practice because unusually judge and jurors were not taken to WHF to see for themselves.

And how did you expect a raid team of armed officers to gain entry?

Jeremy thought he was being clever by keeping door bolted on the inside, but we all know he left via the kitchen window, gave it a quick bang, which made the loose handle drop down so it appeared locked.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

No.  He said he knew of ways to enter but not ways of exiting leaving windows secured from within.

Rubbish

He even admitted to doing it when he claimed he went to WHF after being arrested to pick up paperwork!

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I assume he did leave the same way he entered but I also assume he left the window unsecured.

Your ASSUMPTION is wrong.

He claimed he used a hack blade to get into the bathroom window, which is all reported.... to collect papers (all BS)

He only said that because the police found that blade from the night he entered when he murdererEd them all

He HAD to leave via the kitchen window as that was the one he could make appear to look locked by banging it from outside, forcing the handle to drop down into the locked position. He couldn’t do that with the bathroom window, hence why he left through the kitchen

[ISpyWithMyEye]

How was I attacking you VS - I'm sorry you think that.

It was more just asking you how you can feel so strongly for JB being guilty of just circumstantial evidence.

Yet zero evidence of abduction in MM case - just think if he had all the backup/money and legal team the mccs had he may have not even gone to court in the first place. IMO

But JB only had legal aid.

There's obviously something not right for most intelligent posters on here not sure if he is guilty.

Sorry to jump in — but doesn’t the fact VS looks at each case in an unbiased fashion prove that she takes all the facts into consideration? Just because she believes MM was abducted, why dies that mean she should think Jeremy Bamber is innocent? Your thinking strategy is all skewed.

Each and every case is different. Some people are clearly guilty, whilst some are clearly innocent.

The legal aid factor makes no difference whatsoever

Jeremy Bamber had one of the top QC’s in the country representing him; his fees were paid for by Legal Aid. Those days are gone now, though...

So as he had the very best representation and STILL gor found guilty — what does that tell you? You’re claiming the McCann’s weren’t charged due to having the best legal team, so they same should apply to Jeremy, no?

Rivlin actually told JB they had “difficulties”; the evidence against him was overwhelming, both the circumstantial evidence & the forensic evidence from the silencer; and the fact he’d told several lies and contradictions in his statements. He was also the only one who had a motive, and he didn’t even try to hide his lust for money as soon as he killed them all. He also had no alibi; he lived almost on the doorstep; and he made out Nevill phoned him when it would have been impossible as Nevill couldn’t have spoken after first being shot in the mouth upstairs . Nevill’s blood from those wounds were discovered on the wall going INTO the kitchen — which proves he was already shot as he went in there. And he never came out again. That’s a fact backed-up by forensics and ballistics.

So which ever QC Jeremy had, they wouldn’t have been able to get him off as there was nothing to work with.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Not according to DCI Jones' testimony.

He was inept.

Everyone knows that.

Another officer said the bathroom window wasn’t secured. But it’s irrelevant — that’s the window Jeremy git through when he broke in — so he could have secured it. He probably did, but having loosened it with the hacksaw, maybe he didn’t realise he hadn’t closed it properly if the catch had become loose.

And he exited through the kitchen window, remember.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Straight from the horses mouth: Sun journo who met with BC and JB to discuss the photos of SC confirms he had no idea if the images existed as he wasn't presented with any.

I accept it was in poor taste to say the least but they talked about SC with a cucumber and a vibrator which I doubt ever existed. 

https://youtu.be/bcTvqLk0MWU

@ 33 mins in

We know that 🙄

Vile Jeremy told Colin the same too.

And do you think Jeremy and Brett were going to give the images to the journalist without paying up first?!

They were HAWKING them. They said they wanted £20K for them.

Sheila had been part tricked into having those photos taken, and she deeply regretted it. But in the grand scheme of things, they were just stupid photos of her, alone, posing with a sex toy...so whilst they were embarrassing for her (though Jeremy found them “very, very interesting”...) she wasn’t pictured having sex with people or in an orgy. Sheila wasn’t having sex with anyone, and I guarantee she wouldn’t have ever found a psychopathic mass murderer festering in jail, who smeared his whole body in his own faeces desirable 🤢

She wasn’t hard up for a man.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Have you got proof of that poll - or is it just what you say you saw.

Possibility though the other 11% - could have thought him guilty till they saw WHF.

If you say thousands - 11% of that would be hundreds- and that is quite a few.

Not rubish at all. 

Look on Twitter and scroll back

[ISpyWithMyEye]

The poll is fatally flawed, if it exists. Whodathunkit, 89% of the demographic that watched the series thought him guilty? The series casts him in a terrible light, although probably understandably given the heinous crimes he committed - so this apparent 11% is interesting.
How many knew who he was or about the murders and are only getting their information from a (somewhat disappointing) dramatisation?

How else could they cast an evil mass murderer who killed all his family for GREED?

[G-Unit]

Been through this before....how often can you keep repeating yourself?

And how did you expect a raid team of armed officers to gain entry? Stop making yourself look desperate.

Jeremy thought he was being clever by keeping door bolted on the inside, but we all know he left via the kitchen window, gave it a quick bang, which made the loose handle drop down so it appeared locked.

Your desperation is going off the Richter scale now...

We know that Bamber's relatives hypothesised that he exited via the kitchen window, but we don't know that he actually did that.

[Holly Goodhead]

We know that Bamber's relatives hypothesised that he exited via the kitchen window, but we don't know that he actually did that.

DCI Jones found all windows secured from within.

Why didn't the trial include a trip to WHF, soc, to see for themselves whether it was possible for windows to be secured from outside? 

[Vertigo Swirl]

Who here has ever said otherwise?  What does this prove wrt to whether or not Bamber contacted the Sun trying to sell pornographic photos of his recently murdered sister?  You failed to answer my second question:  do you consider this journo to be telling bare-faced lies?

Bumping for Holly (again).

[APRIL]

We know that Bamber's relatives hypothesised that he exited via the kitchen window, but we don't know that he actually did that.

It wasn't about whether did did A,B, and C individually. THAT, as another thread makes clear, doesn't make him a murderer. However, when the whole A through Z of his actions and behaviours is examined, the conclusion looks somewhat different.