Bamber tries to sell nude pictures of Sheila to The Sun newspaper

[Robittybob1]

Because it is self-evident.

No it isn't. It is about time someone really explained this "self-evidence".

[APRIL]

Why does everyone say "it was either him or Sheila"?   Why do you say that?

Ask the Judge.

[Holly Goodhead]

a) there is also an abundance of evidence against Bamber, all of which you choose to scorn because you believe he is a decent, honest individual and that all his relatives are money-grabbing connivers who collaborated with the police and media to stitch him up.  This is a conspiracy theory and it's one you and like-minded individuals have spent years weaving on JB's behalf. 
b) So what?  What has the McCanns' libel action got to do with Jeremy Bamber selling photos to the Sun?

a) there's no more reliable evidence against JB than there was for any of the other high profile long-running MOJ's.  There's no conpiracy.  JB's MoJ contains the same features as all moj's: poor defence, unreliable witness testimony, over reliance on expert testimony, wrongdoing/incompetence by the police and experts, unfair summing up by trial judge, character assassination by tabloids.

b) was JB in a position to challenge the tabloids in the way the McCanns did?  When it was thought SC was responsible the tabloids had a field day with her.

[APRIL]

a) there's no more reliable evidence against JB than there was for any of the other high profile long-running MOJ's.  There's no conpiracy.  JB's MoJ contains the same features as all moj's: poor defence, unreliable witness testimony, over reliance on expert testimony, wrongdoing/incompetence by the police and experts, unfair summing up by trial judge, character assassination by tabloids.

b) was JB in a position to challenge the tabloids in the way the McCanns did?  When it was thought SC was responsible the tabloids had a field day with her.

If the amount of money was calculated which he spent, post murders and pre arrest, had he NOT spent it, he may have been.

[Vertigo Swirl]

No it isn't. It is about time someone really explained this "self-evidence".

Read the books, watch the documentaries and TV series, then you'll see why it is.

[Vertigo Swirl]

a) there's no more reliable evidence against JB than there was for any of the other high profile long-running MOJ's.  There's no conpiracy.  JB's MoJ contains the same features as all moj's: poor defence, unreliable witness testimony, over reliance on expert testimony, wrongdoing/incompetence by the police and experts, unfair summing up by trial judge, character assassination by tabloids.

b) was JB in a position to challenge the tabloids in the way the McCanns did?  When it was thought SC was responsible the tabloids had a field day with her.

No conspiracy??
What's this then?

"JM's wit stat mentions bugging.

It's officially documented that officers went to her shared house ostensibly to check the alarm clocks.

Police searched SC's flat for diaries etc.

Plenty of opportunity for bugging.  Plus JB was under surveillance for a period of time.

It's well known hacks and the police work hand in glove feeding off one another.

Those from the MM board will have knowledge of dodgy cops, leaks, tabloids, grubby hacks".

What EXACTLY are you suggesting happened wrt to the nude photos story?l

[Caroline]

No it isn't. It is about time someone really explained this "self-evidence".

I have done several times - it's because of the phone call but you keep making up a fantasy caller to explain it away. There was no such thing.Either Nevill called and the killer was Sheila or he didn't and it was Bamber.

[Caroline]

a) there's no more reliable evidence against JB than there was for any of the other high profile long-running MOJ's.  There's no conpiracy.  JB's MoJ contains the same features as all moj's: poor defence, unreliable witness testimony, over reliance on expert testimony, wrongdoing/incompetence by the police and experts, unfair summing up by trial judge, character assassination by tabloids.

b) was JB in a position to challenge the tabloids in the way the McCanns did?  When it was thought SC was responsible the tabloids had a field day with her.

Where is the evidence against Sheila?

[APRIL]

I have done several times - it's because of the phone call but you keep making up a fantasy caller to explain it away. There was no such thing.Either Nevill called and the killer was Sheila or he didn't and it was Bamber.

A point also upheld by the judge.

[Caroline]

No conspiracy??
What's this then?

"JM's wit stat mentions bugging.

It's officially documented that officers went to her shared house ostensibly to check the alarm clocks.

Police searched SC's flat for diaries etc.

Plenty of opportunity for bugging.  Plus JB was under surveillance for a period of time.

It's well known hacks and the police work hand in glove feeding off one another.

Those from the MM board will have knowledge of dodgy cops, leaks, tabloids, grubby hacks".

What EXACTLY are you suggesting happened wrt to the nude photos story?l

Julie Mugfords reference to bugging was a comment made by Bamber when she was talking about the  murders. The idea that The Sun bugged the flat is just ridiculous - anything other than it being Bambers fault. It doesn't even make him the killer but it makes him the type of person who might be.

[mrswah]

No it isn't. It is about time someone really explained this "self-evidence".

I will try---but I don't know the case as well as the others do.

Jeremy claimed to have received a call from his father, Nevill, in which the latter asked Jeremy to get round to the farm quickly, because Sheila had "gone crazy" and had got hold of a gun.  Jeremy then rang the police and recounted the call from Nevill, saying that the phone had then  "gone dead", he had tried to call Nevill back, but couldn't get through.  The police asked Jeremy to meet them at the farm.

As a result, it has been reasoned that only Jeremy or Sheila could have committed the murders. If Jeremy really did receive a call from Nevill ,  then Sheila was the killer. In this scenario, it can't have been Jeremy, as we know that he wasn't at the farm at the time, and we also know that he was outside with the police until they and the firearms officers broke in. By then, everyone was dead.

However, if Jeremy invented the phone call from his father, Nevill not having called him at all,  then he (Jeremy) must have been the murderer. In this scenario, he must have made up the story about Sheila and the gun in order to frame her.

You will have to make up your own mind as to whether you believe Jeremy did or did not receive a call from Nevill.

[mrswah]

I now see Caroline has already explained it-----apologies, Caroline, you must have posted while I was typing (took me a while to get my words together!)

[APRIL]

I now see Caroline has already explained it-----apologies, Caroline, you must have posted while I was typing (took me a while to get my words together!)

Several of us have, Mrswah, several of us have..........but I need to thank you for reminding me of what a fine job he made of convincing police not to go in, guns blazing, by reminding them of how competent Sheila was with guns.

[Nicholas]

a)there is evidence against SC its the reason senior officers at soc and the police surgeon considered the soc murder/suicide. 

Bamber had spent several hours planting a seed of doubt into the minds of Essex police prior to them gaining entry to WHF Holly

And as a ‘master manipulator’ his version of events were believed until Julie started to come to her senses and recognised she ‘couldn’t allow him to hurt anyone else‘ 

[mrswah]

Several of us have, Mrswah, several of us have..........but I need to thank you for reminding me of what a fine job he made of convincing police not to go in, guns blazing, by reminding them of how competent Sheila was with guns.

It was Jeremy who convinced the police not to go in?  Surely, the police and firearms experts would have made their own assessment of the situation and their own decision?