Bamber tries to sell nude pictures of Sheila to The Sun newspaper

[Holly Goodhead]

Bamber had spent several hours planting a seed of doubt into the minds of Essex police prior to them gaining entry to WHF Holly

And as a ‘master manipulator’ his version of events were believed until Julie started to come to her senses and recognised she ‘couldn’t allow him to hurt anyone else‘

Yes and how did the officers gain entry?  They had to take a sledgehammer to the back door because all the doors were locked from within and all ground floor windows secured from within.  Meaning the perp was inside.

The relatives later concluded it was possible to exit and leave a window secured from within but no one knows how this worked in practice because unusually judge and jurors were not taken to WHF to see for themselves. 

[APRIL]

It was Jeremy who convinced the police not to go in?  Surely, the police and firearms experts would have made their own assessment of the situation and their own decision?

Not quite that blatantly, Mrswah. More covertly with his suggestions of Sheila's insanity and her gun skills. It was probably rather like telling ghost stories, in the dark, to children. Over time, it plays on their subconscious. They're now faced with a distraught relative whose only family may be held at gunpoint in the house. A wrong move on their part could see them all dead.

[APRIL]

Yes and how did the officers gain entry?  They had to take a sledgehammer to the back door because all the doors were locked from within and all ground floor windows secured from within.  Meaning the perp was inside.

The relatives later concluded it was possible to exit and leave a window secured from within but no one knows how this worked in practice because unusually judge and jurors were not taken to WHF to see for themselves.

Why would they need to see how it worked. Jeremy had told them it could be done because he'd done it.

[Holly Goodhead]

Why would they need to see how it worked. Jeremy had told them it could be done because he'd done it.

No.  He said he knew of ways to enter but not ways of exiting leaving windows secured from within.

[APRIL]

No.  He said he knew of ways to enter but not ways of exiting leaving windows secured from within.

So when he broke in to get his passport, he didn't leave by his chosen method of entry?

[mrswah]

No.  He said he knew of ways to enter but not ways of exiting leaving windows secured from within.

Even if he had to use a window to enter, what was stopping him exiting via a door?

[Holly Goodhead]

So when he broke in to get his passport, he didn't leave by his chosen method of entry?

I assume he did leave the same way he entered but I also assume he left the window unsecured.

[Holly Goodhead]

Even if he had to use a window to enter, what was stopping him exiting via a door?

I believe all the doors were bolted from within or had a key in the lock.

[APRIL]

I assume he did leave the same way he entered but I also assume he left the window unsecured.

Can your assumption be relied upon as a definite?

[kizzy]

a) to say there is zero evidence against JB is absolute tosh.  It was either him or Sheila.  If there is zero evidence against JB, then there is less than zero evidence against Sheila, so perhaps neither of them did it, and AA is right, it was Mossad. b) you've just moved the goalposts, claiming first that the tabloids having a field day was conditional on the McCanns having support up front, which they did have, and it still didn't stop the tabloids having a field day.

Well there is zero evidence for abduction - but that doesn't stop you thinking there was an abduction.

So how come your stance has changed with this crime- or do you just go with the flow VS.

J B after all it seems was convicted on circumstantial evidence - quite a few changed their view after watching WHF and questioned if he was guilty.

[Holly Goodhead]

No conspiracy??
What's this then?

"JM's wit stat mentions bugging.

It's officially documented that officers went to her shared house ostensibly to check the alarm clocks.

Police searched SC's flat for diaries etc.

Plenty of opportunity for bugging.  Plus JB was under surveillance for a period of time.

It's well known hacks and the police work hand in glove feeding off one another.

Those from the MM board will have knowledge of dodgy cops, leaks, tabloids, grubby hacks".

What EXACTLY are you suggesting happened wrt to the nude photos story?l

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6705.msg281476#msg281476

[Vertigo Swirl]

Well there is zero evidence for abduction - but that doesn't stop you thinking there was an abduction.

So how come your stance has changed with this crime- or do you just go with the flow VS.

J B after all it seems was convicted on circumstantial evidence - quite a few changed their view after watching WHF and questioned if he was guilty.

It is Holly claiming there is zero evidence against Bamber, and Holly who also claims that Madeleine was abducted by a middle aged English woman visiting her aunt, perhaps you should address your question to her, or are you only interested in attacking me?

[Vertigo Swirl]

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6705.msg281476#msg281476

just answer the question, don’t link to long dead threads.

[kizzy]

It is Holly claiming there is zero evidence against Bamber, and Holly who also claims that Madeleine was abducted by a middle aged English woman visiting her aunt, perhaps you should address your question to her, or are you only interested in attacking me?

How was I attacking you VS - I'm sorry you think that.

It was more just asking you how you can feel so strongly for JB being guilty of just circumstantial evidence.

Yet zero evidence of abduction in MM case - just think if he had all the backup/money and legal team the mccs had he may have not even gone to court in the first place. IMO

But JB only had legal aid.

There's obviously something not right for most intelligent posters on here not sure if he is guilty.

[Brietta]

How was I attacking you VS - I'm sorry you think that.

It was more just asking you how you can feel so strongly for JB being guilty of just circumstantial evidence.

Yet zero evidence of abduction in MM case - just think if he had all the backup/money and legal team the mccs had he may have not even gone to court in the first place. IMO

But JB only had legal aid.

There's obviously something not right for most intelligent posters on here not sure if he is guilty.

I think there is a good discussion to be had but somewhere where it is completely on topic.  It is certainly something that would merit a thread on the Madeleine Board where not a lot is happening at the moment.