Bamber tries to sell nude pictures of Sheila to The Sun newspaper

[APRIL]

We are talking about behaviour that most find unacceptable and the fact that some will condemn some individuals and their poor behaviour but not others.  The M's behaviour amounts to neglect as far as nspcc is concerned.

I will set up a new thread as suggested by Kizzy.

Absolutely. THIS thread is about JB trying to flog porny pics of Sheila, who he was convicted of murdering, to a s..mmy publication. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the MM case, however much some, who are interested in it, choose to support the parents' behaviour but condemn JB's.

[Caroline]

We are talking about behaviour that most find unacceptable and the fact that some will condemn some individuals and their poor behaviour but not others.  The M's behaviour amounts to neglect as far as nspcc is concerned.

I will set up a new thread as suggested by Kizzy.

Not murder though eh? 

[Vertigo Swirl]

It was VS I do believe them relevant - but it's you that doesn't in the M case but do in JB case

Anyway it was off topic - probably best discussed on the appropriate forum another time


It was a bit incompetent really for B to not delete the full post. as its a bit garbled as it stands.

So you do accept that trying to sell nude photos of your recently murdered sister to the tabloids for your own financial gain is relevant to the case.  It’s not something I recall the McCanns ever doing, but thanks for attempto draw parallels between Bamber and the McCanns, it makes a change from people comparing them to Hindley and Brady and the Wests I suppose.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Not saying they can be compared just saying they both need condemning but some try to excuse the M's poor behaviour whilst happy to chastise JB.

I don’t try to excuse their behaviour, I think they were extremely foolish to do what they did.  I don’t think Bamber’s actions were foolish, I think they were calculated and based entirely on a desire for money.  Next?

[kizzy]

So you do accept that trying to sell nude photos of your recently murdered sister to the tabloids for your own financial gain is relevant to the case.  It’s not something I recall the McCanns ever doing, but thanks for attempto draw parallels between Bamber and the McCanns, it makes a change from people comparing them to Hindley and Brady and the Wests I suppose.

Your twisting here - it wasn't about the pictures it was about his behavior afterward like eating a breakfast ect ect you found that relevant, yet the m case you accepted all the odd behavior from them as irrelevant.

[Caroline]

Your twisting here - it wasn't about the pictures it was about his behavior afterward like eating a breakfast ect ect you found that relevant, yet the m case you accepted all the odd behavior from them as irrelevant.

This isn't relevant to the Jeremy Bamber case, this seems like a person issue?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Your twisting here - it wasn't about the pictures it was about his behavior afterward like eating a breakfast ect ect you found that relevant, yet the m case you accepted all the odd behavior from them as irrelevant.

Read this post again, the one you jumped on first, and try and understand what I am saying

"You had a big breakfast on learning of your father’s death?  Good for you.  You were probably ravenous.  If that was all we had to go on with Jeremy, I agree, it’s not suspicious.  Add in ALL the other stuff you are excusing as perfectly normal and it paints a picture of someone who is callous, greedy, selfish, money orientated, deceitful, fake.  Were you all of those things as well as a bit hungry?  I’m not the only person who sees Jeremy’s behaviour as suspicious.  Experienced police offices did too right from the start.  If you’re saying character traits and behaviour has no bearing on whether or not a person has a propensity to commit a crime, then that is your opinion.  Personally I think it’s relevant".

Now I think that if the McCanns behaved in a way that was generally considered suspicious before and after Madeleine's disappearance then that is relevant.  Where opinion may differ is on what constitutes "suspicious behaviour".  Some people believe that leaving the kids alone was suspicious (suspicious of what I'm not entirely sure, apart perhaps from gross stupidity and carelessness), personally I don't think it points to them committing the crime of hiding a body.  If the McCanns had gone off to breakfast by the pool on the morning of the 4th and had a great big fry up, were seen cracking inappropriate jokes about her and then went back to the apartment and bundled up all Madeleine's clothes, Cuddlecat and other possessions and chucked them in a bin then yes I would view those actions as extremely relevant.  As it was they did not behave in a way that I personally (or the FLOs that were there for them) found in any way out of character for deeply traumatised parents to behave.   I hope that's clear now, or do you want to keep on arguing the toss?

[Brietta]

Please may we return to the thread topic ... which is

Bamber tries to sell nude pictures of Sheila to The Sun newspaper  Thank you

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Pity you're afraid to defend your stance on this case by not answering important on ON TOPIC questions.

And she snuck in the word “supposedly”


Quote:

“supposedly attempting to sell sexual images of Sheila”


Jeremy Bamber didn’t “supposedly “ try to flog nude shots of Sheila, Holly — he DID try to flog them to The Sun. for £20K.

You know it, I know it, and everyone else knows it

Don’t try and make out it didn’t happen; you make yourself look desperate

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I can start a thread here to discuss as it's relevant imo both in terms of how the press distort and how members here knowingly or unknowingly discriminate negatively and positively?  Thread title?  Maybe discrimination/prejudice? 

JB sgl 24 yoa farmer - supposedly attempting to sell sexual images of SC -  Brie/VS consider appalling and voice opinion of such.  Another black mark for JB.

McCanns married late 30's medi docs - leave 3 children 3 yoa and under alone in unlocked holiday apartment night after night whilst on a jolly up with medi friends - Brie/VS play down: suffered enough, wasn't really that far away/could see apartment/it wasn't their fault/perps fault.  No black mark.

I believe JB innocent and I don't believe the McCanns were involved in MM's disappearance so I'm not conflicted 

If you’re trying to make a fair comparison, Holly — wouldn’t it be better to ask something like:


Do you not think it’s disgraceful and shows warped distorted thinking for a 24-year-old man to try and sell nude photographs of his murdered sister just weeks after she’d been killed?

If the McCann’s, just weeks after Madeleine’s disappearance tried to sell photos of Madeleine bending over naked in the bath, and asked £20K for them, what would you make of that?

[Holly Goodhead]

And she snuck in the word “supposedly”


Quote:

“supposedly attempting to sell sexual images of Sheila”


Jeremy Bamber didn’t “supposedly “ try to flog nude shots of Sheila, Holly — he DID try to flog them to The Sun. for £20K.

You know it, I know it, and everyone else knows it

Don’t try and make out it didn’t happen; you make yourself look desperate

By the hacks own admission he didn't see the images.  Why didn't JB/BC present them at the meeting? 

[Holly Goodhead]

If you’re trying to make a fair comparison, Holly — wouldn’t it be better to ask something like:


Do you not think it’s disgraceful and shows warped distorted thinking for a 24-year-old man to try and sell nude photographs of his murdered sister just weeks after she’d been killed?

If the McCann’s, just weeks after Madeleine’s disappearance tried to sell photos of Madeleine bending over naked in the bath, and asked £20K for them, what would you make of that?

It's not about the images per se.  It's about how individuals and groups make judgements about others.  It's for another thread.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

This board is nothing to do the the M's and you can believe that someone is innocent while someone else is guilty! Selling pictures of your dead sister is nothing like leaving your child in circs  where you thought they were safe. It's incompetent but it happens all of the time - then there's Bamber! No comparison.

Slightly off topic, and I don’t follow the M case...but I thought I read the McCann’s apartment was in view of where they were sat in the Tapas Bar? Not sure how true that is, and if they had baby listening device with them or not, but whatever...their case is completely different to Bamber’s

[ISpyWithMyEye]

By the hacks own admission he didn't see the images.  Why didn't JB/BC present them at the meeting?

But Jeremy Bamber TOLD the reporter he had nude photographs of Sheila where you could see “everything “, right down to “the last detail” and said how she was posing with toys and phallic symbols. He giggled about it.

You think that’s normal, do you?

And of course he wasn’t going to hand them over: he wanted the money first.

He’s a greedy psychopath.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

It's not about the images per se.  It's about how individuals and groups make judgements about others.  It's for another thread.

Maybe not...

But answer the question, anyway

Had the McCann’s tried to hawk naked pictures of Maddie bending over in the bath for £20K just weeks after her disappearance, what would you have thought of them?