Madeleine McCann. Sniffer dogs brought in to help with scrubland dig.

[VIXTE]

Eddie could smell the cadaver way before that sofa was moved so he could get behind it to alert.

Eddie was trained to trace both cadaver and blood. He found blood. We know it was blood because it was identified as blood in the lab. The blood belonged to the two policemen. Who are btw alive.

My source are the files which I have read. What is yours?

[pathfinder73]

Eddie was trained to trace both cadaver and blood. He found blood. We know it was blood because it was identified as blood in the lab. The blood belonged to the two policemen. Who are btw alive.

Keela has to get in real close with her nose to alert to microscopic blood. Eddie goes in first for cadaver then Keela comes in to find if there's blood where Eddie has alerted. No blood at the wardrobe.

[VIXTE]

Keela has to get in real close with her nose to alert to microscopic blood. Eddie goes in first for cadaver then Keela comes in to find if there's blood where Eddie has alerted. No blood at the wardrobe.

What wardrobe?
You were talking about behind the sofa. Eddie identified blood there.

[pathfinder73]

What wardrobe?
You were talking about behind the sofa. Eddie identified blood there.

Eddie barked at the wardrobe. What do you think he was barking there for? microscopic blood found behind the sofa.

[pegasus]

Eddie was trained to trace both cadaver and blood. He found blood. We know it was blood because it was identified as blood in the lab. The blood belonged to the two policemen. Who are btw alive.

My source are the files which I have read. What is yours?

Good point, I have actually considered whether this could be interpreted to mean that the sofa signal might be irrelevant to this case, for example if the floor tiler in mid 1990's had cut his hand.
Also, whether to eliminate the garden and balcony signals, for example a gardener's cut on the climbing plant, with rain washing away the blood itself.
This would considerably simplify the case, leaving just one one location at the apartment (in/near wardrobe) being relevant, for there Keela, despite being lifted up, did not signal, and there is no rain.

[Brietta]

Part time GP actually.

The chances of a GP being in contact with a dead body are very slime indeed.

GPs issue death certificates.

However Dr Kate McCann did not claim to have been in contact with six dead bodies before starting her holiday.

[VIXTE]

Good point, I have actually considered whether this could be interpreted to mean that the sofa signal might be irrelevant to this case, for example if the floor tiler in mid 1990's had cut his hand.
Also, whether to eliminate the garden and balcony signals, for example a gardener's cut on the climbing plant, with rain washing away the blood itself.
This would considerably simplify the case, leaving just one one location at the apartment (in/near wardrobe) being relevant, for there Keela, despite being lifted up, did not signal, and there is no rain.

It wasn't the floor tiler. It was the two policemen's DNA.

Same as the car fob. It was Gerry McCanns DNA. And Gerry is alive too..

I studied science. You have three places alerted and the lab report comes back with the DNA of three alive people.

Sorry but scientifically this is a big percentage that this dog alerts only on live people.

[pegasus]

It wasn't the floor tiler. It was the two policemen's DNA.

Same as the car fob. It was Gerry McCanns DNA. And Gerry is alive too..

I studied science. You have three places alerted and the lab report comes back with the DNA of three alive people.

Sorry but scientifically this is a big percentage that this dog alerts only on live people.

Was the two police dna on the floor tiles? A page number would be useful.

Keela did not signal in/near the wardrobe, so the signal there by Eddie cannot be to blood, it must be to something other than blood?

[Benice]

Was the two police dna on the floor tiles? A page number would be useful.

Keela did not signal in/near the wardrobe, so the signal there by Eddie cannot be to blood, it must be to something other than blood?

This is true, it could have been cadaverscent.  But as Grime tells us - there are several innocent reasons why cadaverscent might be present.   He also says that the scent can drift from one place to another and so it's untrue to claim that Eddie was definitely barking at the wardrobe. 

[pathfinder73]

This is true, it could have been cadaverscent.  But as Grime tells us - there are several innocent reasons why cadaverscent might be present.   He also says that the scent can drift from one place to another and so it's untrue to claim that Eddie was definitely barking at the wardrobe. 

But he had a good sniff on that shelf before barking his head off if you watch the footage closely.

[pegasus]

Yes, the handler says the residual scent signalled by Eddie near the wardrobe may have migrated from elsewhere in the same room. I am applying my own method of looking to see if the dog sniffs a specific location immediately before barking, and here he did, a particular shelf.   

[VIXTE]

Was the two police dna on the floor tiles? A page number would be useful.

Keela did not signal in/near the wardrobe, so the signal there by Eddie cannot be to blood, it must be to something other than blood?

behind the sofa:

286- 286A/2007-CRL 5A & B Swabs collected from the wall of the apartment ----  In my opinion, Fernando Viegas could have contributed DNA to this result.
/2007-CRL (17) Cement-glue [grouting] between the floor tiles identified as number 2 ---- In my opinion, the major part of the profile matched that of Lino Henriques.
 http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm

Re cadaver scent and wardrobe: I read somewhere, cannot really remember where that the cadaver in children due to low body fat and high muscle mass would develop much later than in an adult. This would even extend the time the dead body had to be in that wardrobe and it is impossible because Madeleine was seen in creche and by David Payne ( independent from the parents).
This is why I think this scenario is impossible and there was never a dead body in that apartment.

If you look at the GNR dogs handlers reports which should be the most reliable as they were soonest on the crime scene then Madeleine left this apartment alive and was walking.  This is my opinion. When judging between the cadaver dogs which also both alert on anyone's blood and with report of GNR dogs which were specifically looking for Madeleine I tend to trust the GNR dogs more. Why? Because they were brought in quite soon and they were looking specifically for Madeleine on a fresh crime scene. There was 4 dogs and they all followed the same route so mathematically speaking their findings should be trusted more..

[pegasus]

behind the sofa:

286- 286A/2007-CRL 5A & B Swabs collected from the wall of the apartment ----  In my opinion, Fernando Viegas could have contributed DNA to this result.
/2007-CRL (17) Cement-glue [grouting] between the floor tiles identified as number 2 ---- In my opinion, the major part of the profile matched that of Lino Henriques.
 http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm

Thanks for providing the source.
It is, however, speculation that one of these two officers bled.
If the reason for both dogs' alerts behind the sofa is irrelevant blood, I would think the floor tiler mid 90s more likely than either officer.

[VIXTE]

Both attending PJ officers sustained cuts to their bodies ???
Really ? How did this happen and under what circumstances ?

Out of all DNA results there is 3x family member 2x these two police officers and one result if I remeber well was unknown

But it would be great if anyone who likes talking about the dogs learns what the dogs pointed at and what that produced in the lab..

[Truth]

DNA testing now is much improved from 2007. I wondr  if they retested.