Madeleine McCann. Sniffer dogs brought in to help with scrubland dig.

[Alfred R Jones]

No, I am just asking you to provide a link to an article in which such an alert is described.

"The EVRD was deployed in a wide area screening sweep of the site. The following alert indications were forthcoming:




VT / 9 Trench and gun emplacement containing small personnel shelter. Forensic examination revealed recently deposited tissues that appeared to have been used to ‘clean up following sexual intercourse’. It would appear that the shelter had been used as a venue for courting couples. This alert is within the trained parameters of the dog’s repertoire and is a satisfactory explanation of the alert".

http://voiceforprotest.blogspot.co.uk/2010/03/operation-rectangle-summary-report.html

So, if this wasn't a false alert, then what was it?

[Martina]

"The EVRD was deployed in a wide area screening sweep of the site. The following alert indications were forthcoming:




VT / 9 Trench and gun emplacement containing small personnel shelter. Forensic examination revealed recently deposited tissues that appeared to have been used to ‘clean up following sexual intercourse’. It would appear that the shelter had been used as a venue for courting couples. This alert is within the trained parameters of the dog’s repertoire and is a satisfactory explanation of the alert".

http://voiceforprotest.blogspot.co.uk/2010/03/operation-rectangle-summary-report.html

So, if this wasn't a false alert, then what was it?

There was the decomposing human tissue (semen) on the wipes and Eddie alerted to it. Where do you see a false alert here?

[Mr Gray]

No it isn't. There's evidence of a child matching the description of the missing child in a deep sleep being carried away. This wanted man is the prime suspect. Any investigator would presume this was the missing child not in a deep sleep but deceased due to the cadaver findings. That's why they are now searching for a body in PDL. Therefore the contaminated clothes could connect to the missing child's death.

you are so mistaken...the idea that eddei has never falsely alerted is a myth

[Brietta]

So give us an example of the false alert by Eddie.

 - SNIP - A false alert is when a cadaver dog communicates to its handler that decomposing human remains are in a location where in fact there are no decomposing remains (2).
http://asociacionmagna.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Cadaver-Dog-and-Handler-Team-Capabilities-in-the-Recovery-of-Buried-Human-Remains-in-the-Southeastern-United-States4.pdf

So by definition all the alerts made by Eddie in Praia Da Luz were 'false alerts'.

[stephen25000]

you are so mistaken...the idea that eddei has never falsely alerted is a myth

Are you an expert in Forensic Science as well ?

Who by the way is eddei ?

[Alfred R Jones]

There was the decomposing human tissue (semen) on the wipes and Eddie alerted to it. Where do you see a false alert here?

So Eddie alerts sometimes when there is no body present, nor has ever been present,  is that what you're saying?

[Benice]

Only three clothes out of the all the ones tested were cadaver contaminated. No blood on clothes. One kid, two mother. Explain Benice?

Having watched the video I am still at a loss to understand how certain items were deemed to have been alerted to and others were not. 

It could be a case of cross-contamination.  Don't you find it at all suspicious that only clothes which had been packed in the one box were alerted to?    All that clothing and by sheer coincidence the contaminated items just happened to have been packed into the same box.   The odds of that happening by chance must be huge!

Don't you also find it a teeny bit suspicious that it was the mother's clothes and a top which IIRC the PJ claimed belonged to Madeleine which just happened to be contaminated?    How convenient was that?

[pathfinder73]

You can't cover up the truth like they do in Jersey 

[stephen25000]

Having watched the video I am still at a loss to understand how certain items were deemed to have been alerted to and others were not. 

It could be a case of cross-contamination.  Don't you find it at all suspicious that only clothes which had been packed in the one box were alerted to?    All that clothing and by sheer coincidence the contaminated items just happened to have been packed into the same box.   The odds of that happening by chance must be huge!

Don't you also find it a teeny bit suspicious that it was the mother's clothes and a top which IIRC the PJ claimed belonged to Madeleine which just happened to be contaminated?    How convenient was that?

What precisely is your expertise in forensics  ?

[pathfinder73]

Having watched the video I am still at a loss to understand how certain items were deemed to have been alerted to and others were not. 

It could be a case of cross-contamination.  Don't you find it at all suspicious that only clothes which had been packed in the one box were alerted to?    All that clothing and by sheer coincidence the contaminated items just happened to have been packed into the same box.   The odds of that happening by chance must be huge!

Don't you also find it a teeny bit suspicious that it was the mother's clothes and a top which IIRC the PJ claimed belonged to Madeleine which just happened to be contaminated?    How convenient was that?

Eddie didn't know whose clothes they were he barks on top of the clothes to alert.

[Alfred R Jones]

So Eddie alerts sometimes when there is no body present, nor has ever been present,  is that what you're saying?

Ah, matina, you're back.  Care to reply to this question?

[pegasus]

...In the first clip the dog knocked over a basket and what looked like cuddle cat fell out-no barking ...

Precisely. He finds the cat. And no barking.
Eddie is saying clearly, there is no cadaver scent on the cat.
So then it a simple matter of watching the signal near the sideboard, knowing already that it is not the cat which is being signalled.

[pathfinder73]

I disagree because dogs like to play with toys or tennis balls. Eddie marked CC but didn't bark like in another case in which he started to dig instead. A body was found underneath where he was digging. Grime had to do a second test by hiding CC to see.

[pegasus]

I disagree because dogs like to play with toys or tennis balls. Eddie marked CC but didn't bark like in another case in which he started to dig instead. A body was found underneath where he was digging. Grime had to do a second test by hiding CC to see.

He does not signal when he sniffs base of sideboard door.
That says clearly to me: there is absolutely nothing inside the sideboard with the relevant odour on it.
It's exactly like the bark near wardrobe, which I think we agree on, last place sniffed ...?

[Benice]

Thanks for that clip Mod.

I don't think the dogs alerts would stand up as evidence in court.

In the first clip the dog knocked over a basket and what looked like cuddle cat fell out-no barking-later on the dog barked in what looks like a kitchen cupboard and cuddle cat was brought out.

I don't know what to make of it. How to interpret it. The dog certainly picked up a scent!

Could I just remind people that it was the UK police who suspected the family were not being quite helpful with regards to helping with the investigation-they suggested the dogs.

Eddie passed by CC three or four times and did not show any interest at all.   I cannot think of any other interpretation except that no cadaverscent was present on Cuddlecat.   What other interpretation can possibly be made?