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stephen25000

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Re: Madeleine McCann. Sniffer dogs brought in to help with scrubland dig.
« Reply #30 on: June 04, 2014, 06:58:43 PM »
eddie didn't bark at the cat  full stop...grime for some reason feels that he did

Are you now an expert in handling dogs ?

stephen25000

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Re: Madeleine McCann. Sniffer dogs brought in to help with scrubland dig.
« Reply #31 on: June 04, 2014, 07:02:13 PM »
It seems to me that some people here spend far more time trying to twist the evidence to point to The McCanns than I ever spend trying to deflect attention away from them.  I don't need to.  It is obvious to any idiot that Scotland Yard believes them to be innocent.
But why would people want to twist evidence to try to involve them?  That, I would like to know.

That is your view, it certainly isn't everyone's.

Likewise, it hasn't been disproved that Madeleine died in the apartment.

....and SY/the police are far from infallible, as research will show.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Madeleine McCann. Sniffer dogs brought in to help with scrubland dig.
« Reply #32 on: June 04, 2014, 07:07:49 PM »
That is your view, it certainly isn't everyone's.

Likewise, it hasn't been disproved that Madeleine died in the apartment.

....and SY/the police are far from infallible, as research will show.

Thank you for being polite to me.  You and I might actually have a sensible conversation one day.

I agree.  Nothing has been proved or disproved.

Offline pegasus

Re: Madeleine McCann. Sniffer dogs brought in to help with scrubland dig.
« Reply #33 on: June 04, 2014, 07:16:50 PM »
It was a toy so he hid it. When Eddie was trained he got a toy as a reward to play with. So he hid the toy in the cupboard so he wasn't confused it was there to play with....
I have no reason to wish to change your opinion, however I am hoping that maybe handler may think back and possibly recall, oh yes actually, the clothes in that box were actually in the living area when Eddie was searching every inch of it, lets see, do I remember where exactly in the living area those clothes were.
I might be wrong (BTW feel free to C+P those 4 words and use to enhance your posts, free of charge).
And just to clarify, in my very amateur opinion, Eddie was always correct and always consistent.
BTW somewhere I read an opinion that the 2 dogs in PDL now are better than Eddie. You say Eddie prioritised a play response and suppressed a bark response. So if I wish to conceal a body I will simply place a kermit the frog and a tennis ball on top and that will fool Eddie and Muzzy and Tito IYO? 
« Last Edit: June 04, 2014, 07:25:39 PM by pegasus »

Offline pegasus

Re: Madeleine McCann. Sniffer dogs brought in to help with scrubland dig.
« Reply #34 on: June 04, 2014, 07:44:42 PM »
So are some peeps claiming, that if you take a tennis ball with the relevant scent on it, that when Eddie or Tito or Muzzy find it, they will not signal it?

If so I think you have very much underestimated them.

Offline pegasus

Re: Madeleine McCann. Sniffer dogs brought in to help with scrubland dig.
« Reply #35 on: June 04, 2014, 08:41:15 PM »
Everything pertaining to Madeleine McCann’s disappearance is substantially ‘different’ from other cases. It seems only 'celebrity' animals are allowed to work on her case. 

For example, Tito and Muzzy have worked on many cases including as we now know that of April Jones. They are highly trained and very obviously best suited to work the terrain in Priai Da luz.

Why is it only now we know their names?
Maybe because most peeps here follow only this case?
For example I know who Carla is, only because I read about a UK case where she gave two properties and presumably a vehicle an "all-clean".
And I know who Buster is, only because I read about a UK case he solved "single-nosed".
IIRC the names of the 2 dogs now in PDL and their breed and instruction language were already stated in reports about a case they worked on in UK, before they ever went to portugal.


Offline pegasus

Re: Madeleine McCann. Sniffer dogs brought in to help with scrubland dig.
« Reply #37 on: June 04, 2014, 11:16:07 PM »
Any views on whether the current dogs are better than Eddie?
Did they get better training?
Can they detect an even smaller number of molecules?
Have they solved more crimes than Eddie did?

Offline Victoria

Re: Madeleine McCann. Sniffer dogs brought in to help with scrubland dig.
« Reply #38 on: June 05, 2014, 11:25:41 AM »
Any views on whether the current dogs are better than Eddie?
Did they get better training?
Can they detect an even smaller number of molecules?
Have they solved more crimes than Eddie did?

Don't know, but if reports in the Portuguese press are to be confirmed, they're very good at uncovering animal bones. Seems they've helped locate quite a few so far.

Offline jassi

Re: Madeleine McCann. Sniffer dogs brought in to help with scrubland dig.
« Reply #39 on: June 05, 2014, 11:31:40 AM »
Don't know, but if reports in the Portuguese press are to be confirmed, they're very good at uncovering animal bones. Seems they've helped locate quite a few so far.

You mean they've found something they can really get their teeth into ?
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Madeleine McCann. Sniffer dogs brought in to help with scrubland dig.
« Reply #40 on: June 05, 2014, 12:49:11 PM »
All Cadaver Dogs will fix on the nearest odour they can find if there is no human cadaver present.  This could be body fluids from live humans, or animal cadavers, including pigs on which these two were trained.

Perhaps you will provide your evidence for this statement?
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Madeleine McCann. Sniffer dogs brought in to help with scrubland dig.
« Reply #41 on: June 05, 2014, 01:09:51 PM »

It is from  Court Testimony on Video by a Dog Handler in The Casey Anthony Case.  It shouldn't be too hard to find, but I am busy at the moment.

If you don't like this reply then report me. 

Offline Brietta

Re: Madeleine McCann. Sniffer dogs brought in to help with scrubland dig.
« Reply #42 on: June 05, 2014, 01:11:50 PM »
Thanks for that Mitch, can you forward a citation regarding Tito & Muzzy's training regime please, I'd be very interested in reading up further on them, thanks in anticipation.

Snip
The dogs and their handlers – regarded as the most highly-skilled team in the UK – were joined by Britain’s leading search expert, from Sussex Police, who is helping coordinate the ­unprecedented police operation on Portuguese soil.

Tito and Muzzy both have a powerful sense of smell that helps them locate human remains, blood and fluid a human would be unable to trace.

The dogs, who always work as a pair, have been known to find bodies 20 years after they vanished and can even detect people underwater.

They are taught from the age of 18 months using pig carcasses, which are the closest to humans.

Handler Sally Richards said recently: “They are trained to find anything from tiny specks of blood which are hard for the human eye to see to a full-sized victim, and everything in between.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-search-april-jones-3642420#ixzz33lYYLilY
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"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Eleanor

Re: Madeleine McCann. Sniffer dogs brought in to help with scrubland dig.
« Reply #43 on: June 05, 2014, 01:15:38 PM »
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The dogs and their handlers – regarded as the most highly-skilled team in the UK – were joined by Britain’s leading search expert, from Sussex Police, who is helping coordinate the ­unprecedented police operation on Portuguese soil.

Tito and Muzzy both have a powerful sense of smell that helps them locate human remains, blood and fluid a human would be unable to trace.

The dogs, who always work as a pair, have been known to find bodies 20 years after they vanished and can even detect people underwater.

They are taught from the age of 18 months using pig carcasses, which are the closest to humans.

Handler Sally Richards said recently: “They are trained to find anything from tiny specks of blood which are hard for the human eye to see to a full-sized victim, and everything in between.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-search-april-jones-3642420#ixzz33lYYLilY
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Thanks for that.  So normal Cadaver Dogs.

Offline Victoria

Re: Madeleine McCann. Sniffer dogs brought in to help with scrubland dig.
« Reply #44 on: June 05, 2014, 01:16:48 PM »
Snip
The dogs and their handlers – regarded as the most highly-skilled team in the UK – were joined by Britain’s leading search expert, from Sussex Police, who is helping coordinate the ­unprecedented police operation on Portuguese soil.

Tito and Muzzy both have a powerful sense of smell that helps them locate human remains, blood and fluid a human would be unable to trace.

The dogs, who always work as a pair, have been known to find bodies 20 years after they vanished and can even detect people underwater.

They are taught from the age of 18 months using pig carcasses, which are the closest to humans.

Handler Sally Richards said recently: “They are trained to find anything from tiny specks of blood which are hard for the human eye to see to a full-sized victim, and everything in between.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-search-april-jones-3642420#ixzz33lYYLilY
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Good link. Of course, these dogs can do some remarkable things, but we all know (or should do) that they are not infallible. They may not lie, but they certainly don't always get it right.  8)--))