Madeleine McCann. Sniffer dogs brought in to help with scrubland dig.

[Mr Gray]

In what was was my statement a wind up?  Even the person whose post I was addressing (Pegasus) conceded that I had made a good point, now stop making a fool of yourself.

I don't think there is anyway you will stop op making a fool of himself

[pegasus]

The CSST experiment indicated a minimum required interval of 1 hour 25 minutes.
http://www.csst.org/cadaver_scent.html

[Alfred R Jones]

The CSST experiment indicated a minimum required interval of 1 hour 25 minutes.
http://www.csst.org/cadaver_scent.html

Thank you.  So this proves my statement "Not quite.  A body could have been there, just not long enough to leave a scent detectable by the dog." is factually correct and not a wind-up.  I don't suppose I will receive an apology from OP for the unmerited ad hominem attack, but that's par for the course.

[pathfinder73]

Eddie alerted at the flower bed and a body didn't lay there for 1 hour 25 minutes. But if the cadaver was moved there from inside 5A after 90 minutes to the flower bed for only a short period - that made Eddie alert there IMO.

[Alfred R Jones]

Eddie alerted at the flower bed and a body didn't lay there for 1 hour 25 minutes. But if the cadaver was moved there from inside 5A after 90 minutes to the flower bed for only a short period - that made Eddie alert there IMO.

Can anyone explain why, if Eddie alerted to the flower bed, it was never dug up?

[jassi]

Perhaps they could tell that the soil hadn't been disturbed without needing to dig - usually quite obvious when a flowerbed has been disturbed.

[pathfinder73]

Eddie may have started digging if a body was there. Contaminated branches were probably what the dog alerted to. Branches were taken as evidence.

"FBI consultant Martin Grime told the High Court in Glasgow that he and his springer spaniel dogs, Eddie, Keela and Morse, were called in by Northern Constabulary in the hunt for Bob Rose, who disappeared on June 6 last year.

Mr Grime told prosecutor Alex Prentice QC that one of the dogs, Eddie, who is trained to detect dead bodies, reacted when he was taken to sand dunes at Sty Wick on June 24 last year.

 He said: “His normal reaction is to bark. On this occasion he started to dig. As soon as he started to dig I called him back.”

The jury heard that a thin metal probe was then put into the spot Eddie indicated before a forensic anthropologist was called in to excavate the scene.

 The jury was told that a body was found at the spot Eddie had indicated."

[faithlilly]

Eddie alerted at the flower bed and a body didn't lay there for 1 hour 25 minutes. But if the cadaver was moved there from inside 5A after 90 minutes to the flower bed for only a short period - that made Eddie alert there IMO.

If Madeleine had tried to climb up on the railings just outside the patio doors, slipped and fallen badly into the flowerbed below just after her parents left for the tapas that would have given enough time for the scent to develop in that location. The scent however may have been less pronounced as it was early in the process of decomposition.

[Alfred R Jones]

Perhaps they could tell that the soil hadn't been disturbed without needing to dig - usually quite obvious when a flowerbed has been disturbed.

That's a pretty lame excuse in my opinion, just assuming that there was nothing buried there. 

[jassi]

I was putting it forward as a possible reason, not an excuse. I don't do excuses.  It is easy to tell if an area of ground has been recently disturbed

[pathfinder73]

He said: “His normal reaction is to bark. On this occasion he started to dig. As soon as he started to dig I called him back.”

Is this similar to biting and throwing CC away because he thought it was a toy to play with so Grime hid it in the cupboard to do a second test on the toy.

[Alfred R Jones]

I was putting it forward as a possible reason, not an excuse. I don't do excuses.  It is easy to tell if an area of ground has been recently disturbed

It wasn' that recent.  May to August.  I can dig a hole in my flowerbed, put in a plant and fill in the hole and it looks like it was there all along.   I'd have thought if a cadaver dog alerts outside at a place on the ground with easily diggable soil that the logical reaction if looking for the body of a small child would be to dig it up just to check. Call me crazy!

[jassi]

It wasn' that recent.  May to August.  I can dig a hole in my flowerbed, put in a plant and fill in the hole and it looks like it was there all along.   I'd have thought if a cadaver dog alerts outside at a place on the ground with easily diggable soil that the logical reaction if looking for the body of a small child would be to dig it up just to check. Call me crazy!

OK, You're crazy   

You are quite right, I was thinking it was the dogs that came the next day.

[Mr Gray]

It wasn' that recent.  May to August.  I can dig a hole in my flowerbed, put in a plant and fill in the hole and it looks like it was there all along.   I'd have thought if a cadaver dog alerts outside at a place on the ground with easily diggable soil that the logical reaction if looking for the body of a small child would be to dig it up just to check. Call me crazy!

no soil sample taken...perhaps grime knew that an alert outside after 3 months was a load of cobblers

 

[pegasus]

no soil sample taken...perhaps grime knew that an alert outside after 3 months was a load of cobblers

 

Would you be interested in some examples of victims found as a direct result of a dog signalling outdoors more than three months after the crime? There are several. As far as I can see, absolutely none of them were shoe repairers.