Madeleine McCann. Sniffer dogs brought in to help with scrubland dig.

[pegasus]

If using dogs outdoors after 3 months is cobblers -
someone better phone SY quick  and tell them.
I saw them on TV the other day using dogs outdoors after 84 months.

[misty]

This question has probably been covered in the past, but can anyone tell me how many cadavers Eddie had positively indicated which were then located?

[Mr Gray]

Would you be interested in some examples of victims found as a direct result of a dog signalling outdoors more than three months after the crime? There are several. As far as I can see, absolutely none of them were shoe repairers.

then why didn't grime take a sample...

you say victims found...so the body or parts are present...not residual scent...not the same

[Mr Gray]

If using dogs outdoors after 3 months is cobblers -
someone better phone SY quick  and tell them.
I saw them on TV the other day using dogs outdoors after 84 months.

again you don't understand...this whole debate is about residual scent...not about remains...remains can be found years later...residual scent does not last 3 months outside

[stephen25000]

again you don't understand...this whole debate is about residual scent...not about remains...remains can be found years later...residual scent does not last 3 months outside

'residual scent does not last 3 months outside'

I see you are keen on alchemy.

[Mr Gray]

'residual scent does not last 3 months outside'

I see you are keen on alchemy.

it doesn't...pegaus is confusing recovery of remains and residual scent...I guarantee every example he has offered to post involve the detection of remains...residual scent does not last 3 months outside

[stephen25000]

it doesn't...pegaus is confusing recovery of remains and residual scent...I guarantee every example he has offered to post involve the detection of remains...residual scent does not last 3 months outside

Can you prove that ?

[pathfinder73]

Eddie alerted to contaminated clothes so he was possibly alerting to contaminated branches/fibres on wall outside. Eddie doesn't alert for no reason. That probably means a cadaver was in contact so possibly not in a bag. It would be very interesting to hear Martin Grime's thoughts on the garden alerts.

"with the recovery of hair in the corridor  [pathway] that exists in the area of the back garden next to the window of the couple's bedroom, with the recovery of several pieces of the branches of the climbing plant in the garden (for later check of possible blood traces on them) and with the recovery of possible fibres on the garden wall next to the climbing plant."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_EDDIE-KEELA.htm

[pegasus]

If the welsh dogs had signalled a small area on the ground at that mound area, how would SY have used that intelligence? What would SY have done next?

[Mr Gray]

Don't you find it odd that, considering Eddie alerts to dried blood from a living person, he did not find a single speck of blood in the whole of Murat's house and garden after 2 days of searching?

probably because the handler was not looking for dried blood..its all in the cuing...ask steve davies

[pegasus]

Don't you find it odd that, considering Eddie alerts to dried blood from a living person, he did not find a single speck of blood in the whole of Murat's house and garden after 2 days of searching?

You could argue the same about 5B 5D 5H and 4G, and (minus the clothes) the Rua Das Flores villa.
Lots of pointing by the handler at all those properties, watch the footage, and the handler knew all those properties were of interest - yet ZERO alerts by by Eddie at those properties, again proving that pointing does not make the dog alert.

The above examples, and examples in other cases, like the zero alerts by black labrador Carla at two houses in England recently, indicate to me that cadaver dogs do not signal specks of dried blood from living people, but I am no expert.

[Alfred R Jones]

You could argue the same about 5B 5D 5H and 4G, and (minus the clothes) the Rua Das Flores villa.
Lots of pointing by the handler at all those properties, watch the footage, and the handler knew all those properties were of interest - yet ZERO alerts by by Eddie at those properties, again proving that pointing does not make the dog alert.

The above examples, and examples in other cases, like the zero alerts by black labrador Carla at two houses in England recently, indicate to me that cadaver dogs do not signal specks of dried blood from living people, but I am no expert.

Well if they don't then why the need for a blood dog like Keela?

[Mr Gray]

You've asked the question, do you have the answer ? Also are you trying to imply that Fr.Pacheco was in 'direct' contact with corpses ?

according to amaral there was a corpse in the church where they are kept overnight...priests have direct contact with corpses...extreme unction I believe

[Martina]

The dogs could be reacting to many things according to grime....

did the priest go in 5a......bodies are kept in portuguese churches for several days

From where do you get this info? Pre-funeral visitations used to take place in the house of the person deceased, now they take place in the funeral homes. The casket is taken out from the funeral home and brought to the church in the day of the funeral.

[Mr Gray]

Your level of ignorance is truly entertaining, extreme unction is administered to the sick in their dying hours (STILL ALIVE), in certain circumstances i.e. sudden death, extreme unction is administered within a strict timeframe !

I haven't got a clue about stupid religious claptrap...you are quite correct...[ offensive comment removed ]...you are religious no doubt..as corpses are left in churches there is bound to be some cross contamination