Madeleine McCann. Sniffer dogs brought in to help with scrubland dig.

[pegasus]

... kate did offer an explanation-when she thought it may be over whelming evidence by saying Maddie has a nose bleed? ( I am not sure where I read that, sorry I can't offer a direct quote, and apologies if I have picked that up wrong)

I don't recall it being KM who said that - maybe you are thinking of someone else?

[VIXTE]

I do believe the dogs did the job they were asked to do: find traces of cadaver scent or blood.

 Unfortunately, there was no overwhelming evidence that the blood belonged to little Maddie.
But kate did offer an explanation-when she thought it may be over whelming evidence by saying Maddie has a nose bleed? ( I am not sure where I read that, sorry I can't offer a direct quote, and apologies if I have picked that up wrong)

The cadaver on kate's clothes and her explanation is quite something. Also, finding cadaver scent in a cupboard? if someone had died in that bedroom-say an elderly person a few weeks previously then, that would be an acceptable reason for alerting cadaver scent by the dog-but in a cupboard? Hm

Oh please. Cannot you see that you are repeating the internet myths.
I advise you first to read Madeleine's files and then to make comments.
Otherwise you are repeating hearsay comments of whoever made these up on internet.

[Martina]

I don't recall it being KM who said that - maybe you are thinking of someone else?

Gerald himself, in his arguido statement:

The lawyer for the defence says he wishes the arguido to be asked again if Madeleine bled. To which he said it was common for Madeleine to have nosebleeds.

[pegasus]

The lawyer for the defence says he wishes the arguido to be asked again if Madeleine bled. To which he said it was common for Madeleine to have nosebleeds.

It's not the first case in which the nosebleed argument has been used.

[Brietta]

It's not the first case in which the nosebleed argument has been used.

There are accounts in the files of a child suffering a cut chin and a man who bled profusely ... both resident in 5A.

I think the important thing is that no blood was found that matched Madeleine.

[VIXTE]

I think the important thing is that no blood was found that matched Madeleine.

Exactly.
And also no CADAVER scent of Madeleine.

[icabodcrane]

There are accounts in the files of a child suffering a cut chin and a man who bled profusely ... both resident in 5A.

I think the important thing is that no blood was found that matched Madeleine.

The man who  'bled  profusely' was the fellow who nicked himself shaving I presume  ...  who is is this  'bleeding child'  you refer to though  ?

[Martina]

There are accounts in the files of a child suffering a cut chin and a man who bled profusely ... both resident in 5A.

I think the important thing is that no blood was found that matched Madeleine.

A child with the cut chin - statement of Claire Louise Fawkes:

On the Wednesday or Thursday of the second week of our holiday I received a phone call from a MW employee saying that R*** had fallen in the crêche and had cut her chin. When I arrived at the club she had almost stopped bleeding, but even so and through precaution we took her to a doctor in P da L, who put in some stitches. I do not remember if she bled again after this or whether she did in the apartment, but it is a possibility.

She couldn't bleed much from a stitched wound.

There is no trace of a man bleeding profusely in any of the former 5A occupants statements, so I will be glad if you provide a link to or an excerpt from the statement mentioning this incident.

[Brietta]

The man who  'bled  profusely' was the fellow who nicked himself shaving I presume  ...  who is is this  'bleeding child'  you refer to though  ?

Cartas Rogatorias Vol V
Pages 47 – 48
Leicestershire Police Force
Witness Statement
Simon Andrew Fawkes
Occupation: Computer technician
Date: 22nd April 2008

- SNIP - The holiday was quite pleasant in spite of the fact that R*** suffered a cut to the chin at the crèche, the holidays passed peacefully.
Apart from R**** having fallen whilst under the care of MW nothing was stolen or missing from the apartment, nobody died in the apartment during our stay.

[VIXTE]

The only DNA matching found in 5A ( and this is connected to blood samples) are of the PJ officers and Gerry McCann

[Brietta]

A child with the cut chin - statement of Claire Louise Fawkes:

On the Wednesday or Thursday of the second week of our holiday I received a phone call from a MW employee saying that R*** had fallen in the crêche and had cut her chin. When I arrived at the club she had almost stopped bleeding, but even so and through precaution we took her to a doctor in P da L, who put in some stitches. I do not remember if she bled again after this or whether she did in the apartment, but it is a possibility.

She couldn't bleed much from a stitched wound.

There is no trace of a man bleeding profusely in any of the former 5A occupants statements, so I will be glad if you provide a link to or an excerpt from the statement mentioning this incident.

Cartas Rogatorias Vol V
Pages 44 - 46
Witness statement
FAWKES; Claire Louise
Occupation: Teacher
Date: 22 nd April 2008
 - SNIP - I do not remember if she bled again after this or whether she did in the apartment, but it is a possibility.


Cartas Rogatorias Vol V
Pages 33-35
Statement of Saleigh Gordon.
Occupation: Air Hostess
4 pages
Date: 24th April de 2008
 - SNIP - During our stay Paul cut his face whilst shaving and the cut bled for some time.

Considering the number of times the apartment was allowed to be occupied after the McCann family's departure who knows how many people had bled or there ... the really important thing you do not want to take on board is that there was no blood from Madeleine McCann.

[Martina]

The only DNA matching found in 5A ( and this is connected to blood samples) are of the PJ officers and Gerry McCann

But it's not like the rest of the DNA were the full profiles, not matching with any of the McCanns. Most of the DNA was too weak to be matched with anything.

[Brietta]

Hi Icabod, is there any info regarding how long this individual bled for and quantities of blood expelled ?
Was he checked for vitamin C deficiency one wonders ?

Edited to add-
Can anyone provide a name for this 'bleeding man' ?

Paul Gordon

I am very surprised posters don't know about his shaving accident ... fortunately there is no record of him requiring stitches or transfusions ... but he did bleed.

[VIXTE]

But it's not like the rest of the DNA were the full profiles, not matching with any of the McCanns. Most of the DNA was too weak to be matched with anything.

But the matching ones? Were they of dead people? Bleeding people?

[Martina]

But the matching ones? Were they of dead people? Bleeding people?

They were very much alive. That, though, does not exclude the possibility that the donor of the unidentified DNA might be dead or bleeding.