Madeleine McCann. Sniffer dogs brought in to help with scrubland dig.

[pegasus]

The dogs alert show a spot where a body MIGHT have been present...not where a body WAS present...

Correct.

Let's imagine that there had been on May 3rd some non-cadaver but specific scent source on the first shelf above the floor in the wardrobe, let's say hypothetically a bottle of perfume with some trace of a pig-derived ingredient and a slightly imperfect seal on the bottle's top, which Eddie mistook for cadaver scent.

Can you see that one would then actually expect the same specific non-cadaver scent to be on a few of the items of clothing which spent that whole evening, not being worn, but stored on that shelf?

So there for free I gave you a complete legal disproof of the ridiculously illogical "clothing indicates involvement" notion.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Pigs in cupboard...Hmmm

Yes!  that is probably what the dog picked up.

pesky pigs get everywhere. well, not everywhere, I mean how did the pigs get into the apartment cupboard?

and who the hell killed the pig?...Is someone telling 'porkies'? oh sorry I'm couldn't help myself!

The point I was making was, the dogs picked up a scent it was accepted it was cadaver.. there was further investigations to follow...i.e a picture of what may have happened. Normal police work.

I never claimed that the scent was evidence that Maddie was dead and was placed in a cupboard at some point-however, others do believe it... and I respect, not agree, with their opinion.

[Mr Gray]

I did some time ago.

you obviously didnt understand it

[Benice]

Pigs in cupboard...Hmmm

Yes!  that is probably what the dog picked up.

pesky pigs get everywhere. well, not everywhere, I mean how did the pigs get into the apartment cupboard?

and who the hell killed the pig?...Is someone telling 'porkies'? oh sorry I'm couldn't help myself!

The point I was making was, the dogs picked up a scent it was accepted it was cadaver.. there was further investigations to follow...i.e a picture of what may have happened. Normal police work.

I never claimed that the scent was evidence that Maddie was dead and was placed in a cupboard at some point-however, others do believe it... and I respect, not agree, with their opinion.

Even accepting it was cadaverscent, there is no way the dog could say how long the source had been there - which according to Grime could be decades.  Or whether it was there because of cross-contamination from an innocent source - either from other people - or objects as in the Shannon Matthew's case for instance.  Or whether the source was above or beneath the ground.    Or whether the source was even at the the place where the dog barked - because the odour drifts - and so for instance Eddie could have been alerting to the bed next to the wardrobe - amongst other places - for all anyone knows.

Eddie and Keela also alerted to blood from living people.

It is for these reasons that Grime repeatedy states that unless evidence can be found to corroborate the alerts - then they are useless from an evidential point of view.

IMO  the very people who should have been aware of these facts about the dogs was Amaral and his team, but they simply decided that because Eddie and Keela alerted - Madeliene had died in 5A.  Why was that?   IMO either a case of (1) lazy policework, (they didn't bother to find out the facts) or (2) sheer ignorance  (they didn't understand the facts)- or (3) a case of cherry picking only the facts which fitted best into a certain agenda.   I go for No. 3. 

   

[pathfinder73]

Only three clothes out of the all the ones tested were cadaver contaminated. No blood on clothes. One kid, two mother. Explain Benice?

[Mr Gray]

Only three clothes out of the all the ones tested were cadaver contaminated. No blood on clothes. One kid, two mother. Explain Benice?

most simple explanation is they were not contaminated ...false alert

[pathfinder73]

most simple explanation is they were not contaminated ...false alert

Eddie had no record of false alerts so try again. He found missing people bodies and alerted to cadaver scent with no body (later found) re Adrian Prout case.

[stephen25000]

Even accepting it was cadaverscent, there is no way the dog could say how long the source had been there - which according to Grime could be decades.  Or whether it was there because of cross-contamination from an innocent source - either from other people - or objects as in the Shannon Matthew's case for instance.  Or whether the source was above or beneath the ground.    Or whether the source was even at the the place where the dog barked - because the odour drifts - and so for instance Eddie could have been alerting to the bed next to the wardrobe - amongst other places - for all anyone knows.

Eddie and Keela also alerted to blood from living people.

It is for these reasons that Grime repeatedy states that unless evidence can be found to corroborate the alerts - then they are useless from an evidential point of view.

IMO  the very people who should have been aware of these facts about the dogs was Amaral and his team, but they simply decided that because Eddie and Keela alerted - Madeliene had died in 5A.  Why was that?   IMO either a case of (1) lazy policework, (they didn't bother to find out the facts) or (2) sheer ignorance  (they didn't understand the facts)- or (3) a case of cherry picking only the facts which fitted best into a certain agenda.   I go for No. 3. 

   

The alerts only occurred in one apartment.

[Mr Gray]

Eddie had no record of false alerts so try again. He found missing people bodies and evidence of cadaver scent with no body (later found) re Adrian Prout case.

the no history of false alerts is a myth

[Martina]

the no history of false alerts is a myth

So give us an example of the false alert by Eddie.

[Alfred R Jones]

Eddie had no record of false alerts so try again. He found missing people bodies and alerted to cadaver scent with no body (later found) re Adrian Prout case.

so when he alerted in Jersey to a tissue used (according to his handler) for cleaning up after sex, that was an alert to the presence of a dead body was it?

[Martina]

so when he alerted in Jersey to a tissue used (according to his handler) for cleaning up after sex, that was an alert to the presence of a dead body was it?

Link please?

[Alfred R Jones]

Link please?

Are you seriously disputing what I have written?

[pathfinder73]

the no history of false alerts is a myth

No it isn't. There's evidence of a child matching the description of the missing child in a deep sleep being carried away. This wanted man is the prime suspect. Any investigator would presume this was the missing child not in a deep sleep but deceased due to the cadaver findings. That's why they are now searching for a body in PDL. Therefore the contaminated clothes could connect to the missing child's death.

[Martina]

Are you seriously disputing what I have written?

No, I am just asking you to provide a link to an article in which such an alert is described.