Is Scotland Yard still running with the abduction theory?

[Brietta]

There is no realistic explanation for an abductor to raise noisy shutters and open that window in full view of the car park and that wasn't used according to forensics when the front door was hidden and much quicker to exit.

"the front door was hidden and much quicker to exit" ~ and so much "quicker to exit" if confident that the coast was clear to do so.

[faithlilly]

Actually DCI Redwood was being interviewed when he said:   

Quote:   We have conducted a forensic analysis of the timelines and there is clearly opportunity for Madeleine McCann to have been removed from that apartment alive''  End quote

I'm sure the video of that interview will still be on Youtube.

A position that has been superseded by this quote from Redwood :

"Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood admitted that what they have uncovered means Madeleine might not have left the apartment alive."

So you see SY's position on certainly one element of the case has changed significantly over the time of their review, who knows what else has changed.

[pathfinder73]

"the front door was hidden and much quicker to exit" ~ and so much "quicker to exit" if confident that the coast was clear to do so.

A lot safer it was hidden. The window wasn't  8-)(--)

[Brietta]

No it doesn't mean they have abandoned the abduction theory but if they find anything that could quickly change. SY have a lot more evidence to look at than I but my theory is based on the official files.

IMO we have never had sight of "the official files" ~ whereas the Met and the PJ have.

[Victoria]

IMO we have never had sight of "the official files" ~ whereas the Met and the PJ have.

Completely agree with you. Some information was released, but I have reservations as to how accurate the translations of that information is. But certainly, a lot more information has never been made public. 

[jassi]

Completely agree with you. Some information was released, but I have reservations as to how accurate the translations of that information is. But certainly, a lot more information has never been made public.

Quite rightly, too.

[Alfred R Jones]

A position that has been superseded by this quote from Redwood :

"Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood admitted that what they have uncovered means Madeleine might not have left the apartment alive."

So you see SY's position on certainly one element of the case has changed significantly over the time of their review, who knows what else has changed.

Nothing has changed.  They have identified a window of opportunity for her to have been removed alive, they have also uncovered information (what we don't know exactly but could relate to the sex attacks in the Algarve that the Met recently brought to the public's attention) which means she may not have left the apartment alive.   If the Met think she may have been killed in the apartment it does not follow that they have excluded the possibility that a stranger committed the crime and removed her body.  The window of opportunity for a crime to have been committed by a stranger remains the same. 

[stephen25000]

Nothing has changed.  They have identified a window of opportunity for her to have been removed alive, they have also uncovered information (what we don't know exactly but could relate to the sex attacks in the Algarve that the Met recently brought to the public's attention) which means she may not have left the apartment alive.   If the Met think she may have been killed in the apartment it does not follow that they have excluded the possibility that a stranger committed the crime and removed her body.  The window of opportunity for a crime to have been committed by a stranger remains the same.

No evidence anyone else in the flat, certainly no forensic evidence.

No evidence of link of sex attacker, just conjecture.

However, the dogs were right the first time it seems.

....and of course

[Alfred R Jones]

More rubbish as expected.

Now state precisely what I stated in my previous post is incorrect.

All you reveal is your attachment to all things in praise of the mccanns. >@@(*&)

I'm not going off on one of your tangents.  We were discussing the forensic examination of the timeline by Scotland Yard, which concluded that there was sufficient time for an intruder to commit a criminal act, whether it be abduction or murder and removal of a body.  Perhaps you would like to comment on that first and then start a new thread for whatever it is you would rather discuss.

[faithlilly]

I'm not going off on one of your tangents.  We were discussing the forensic examination of the timeline by Scotland Yard, which concluded that there was sufficient time for an intruder to commit a criminal act, whether it be abduction or murder and removal of a body.  Perhaps you would like to comment on that first and then start a new thread for whatever it is you would rather discuss.

Quick question Alfred. Do you believe that Madeleine not leaving the apartment alive and cadaver dog Edfie alerting in the same apartment are mutually exclusive events ?

[Alfred R Jones]

Tell me where it has been disproved that Madeleine died of an accident in the apartment.

Since it 'appears' that SY are 'considering' her death in the apartment, then the dogs were right in their indications the first time. Would you not agree ?

Once again you fail to address the subject which we were discussing ie: the forensic examination of the timeline by Scotland Yard, which concluded that there was sufficient time for an intruder to commit a criminal act, whether it be abduction or murder and removal of a body.  Instead you appear to prefer to discuss the dogs again!  I think there may be a thread or two about them elsewhere....

[stephen25000]

Once again you fail to address the subject which we were discussing ie: the forensic examination of the timeline by Scotland Yard, which concluded that there was sufficient time for an intruder to commit a criminal act, whether it be abduction or murder and removal of a body.  Instead you appear to prefer to discuss the dogs again!  I think there may be a thread or two about them elsewhere....

I'm well aware of what you said.

You are merely evading answering my questions.

[Alfred R Jones]

I'm well aware of what youmsaid.

You are merely evading answering my questions.

In what way do your questions relate to Scotland Yard's forensic examination of the timeline?

[stephen25000]

In what way do your questions relate to Scotland Yard's forensic examination of the timeline?

Try again.

Where has it been stated Madeleine did not die in the apartment in an accident ?

[Alfred R Jones]

Try again.

Where has it been stated Madeleine did not die in the apartment in an accident ?

Well, Scotland Yard got close when they said that they were treating the case as one of stranger abduction.  No mention from them at any stage that they are considering the accident angle.

Where has it been stated that Madeleine was not abducted by a stranger by the way (numerous doubter blogs by armchair detectives don't count btw).