So what's next in the libel trial saga?

[Alice Purjorick]

Gonçalo Amaral
Former Polícia Judiciária coordinator

 00.33 - My name is Gonçalo Amaral. I’ve been an investigator with the Polícia Judiciária for 27 years. I coordinated the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, on the 3rd of May 2007.

 00.48 - During the following 50 minutes, I will prove that the child was not abducted, and that she died in the holiday apartment in Praia da Luz.

 00.58 - Discover the whole truth about what happened that day – a death that many people want to cover up.

VC Filmes presents

Maddie The Truth of the Lie

You consider that is proven to be untrue and is libelous?.
As I recall DCI Redwood expressed the view that Madeleine may have died in Apartment 5A, which by logical extension means she was not abducted.

[ferryman]

You consider that is proven to be untrue and is libelous?.
As I recall DCI Redwood expressed the view that Madeleine may have died in Apartment 5A, which by logical extension means she was not abducted.

Andy Redwood is in no doubt Madeleine was abducted ....

[Alice Purjorick]

Maybe yes, maybe no. *&*%£

Is it another term like "ex parte" and "evidence" to be drawn like a rapier or Colt 45 (depending on one's choice of literature)?.

[Alice Purjorick]

Andy Redwood is in no doubt Madeleine was abducted ....

Is he really?
If he thinks, as he said, that it is a possibility she died in the apartment then he also must believe there is a possibility she was not abducted the two being kind of mutually exclusive.

[stephen25000]

Andy Redwood is in no doubt Madeleine was abducted ....

 

[stephen25000]

Is it another term like "ex parte" and "evidence" to be drawn like a rapier or Colt 45 (depending on one's choice of literature)?.

Indeed it does.

I suppose it does depend also on between which two planetary orbits you find yourself.

[Alice Purjorick]

Was it in his book about Gerry not being Madelienes father. I remember he was hell bent trying to prove he wasn't.

Or to prove he was as it would impact on DNA analysis 

[Jean-Pierre]

Maybe yes, maybe no. *&*%£

Thats rather good.   

In legal terms it is a bit more subtle.   If something is "inconclusive" you cant put it in the "it's a maybe so we'll give it half a point" box.  It means that no conclusion can be drawn, but open to further investigation.  Failing that further investigation its a "No". 

 

[Alice Purjorick]

Indeed it does.

I suppose it does depend also on between which two planetary orbits you find yourself.

Are you alluding to he of the chocolate celestial t'pot

[Mr Gray]

more from amaral..

.GA: If we take into account that, if we consider the traces that were found in the car boot…

JP: … which are in fact…

GA: … which are in fact from the little girl. In order to justify that bodily fluid as the lab says, it could only have been preserved and conserved in the cold because otherwise it would have been…


so amaral claims as  fact that traces from maddies body were found in the hire car

[stephen25000]

Thats rather good.   

In legal terms it is a bit more subtle.   If something is "inconclusive" you cant put it in the "it's a maybe so we'll give it half a point" box.  It means that no conclusion can be drawn, but open to further investigation.  Failing that further investigation its a "No".

Indeed.

Has there been a further and independent examination of the original forensic  material, or has it been destroyed ?

[stephen25000]

more from amaral..

.GA: If we take into account that, if we consider the traces that were found in the car boot…

JP: … which are in fact…

GA: … which are in fact from the little girl. In order to justify that bodily fluid as the lab says, it could only have been preserved and conserved in the cold because otherwise it would have been…


so amaral claims as  fact that traces from maddies body were found in the hire car

The only deduction from your posts, pun intended, is that  you think Amaral's conclusions are damaging to the McCann's.

[Mr Gray]

The only deduction from your posts, pun intended, is that  you think Amaral's conclusions are damaging to the McCann's.

no...amaral is claiming things as facts...that are not facts...traces belonging to maddies corpse being found in the hire car....if you don't realise that is libellous....

[Alice Purjorick]

do you really think that things have to be disproved for libel to be established

If that question is resultant from my post I suggest you read the post again as it implies no such thing.
If you are subtly asking for advice because you are uncertain about libel try this:
"To establish a prima facie case of defamation, four elements are generally required:  a false statement purporting to be fact concerning another person or entity; publication or communication of that statement to a third person; fault on the part of the person making the statement amounting to intent or at least negligence; and some harm caused to the person or entity who is the subject of the statement".
In English and Welsh law the burden of proof is on the defendant to demonstrate what he said is defensible.
If what he said was true then job jobbed. I can recommend several good books and papers if you wish to know more.


 

 

[Mr Gray]

If that question is resultant from my post I suggest you read the post again as it implies no such thing.
If you are subtly asking for advice because you are uncertain about libel try this:
"To establish a prima facie case of defamation, four elements are generally required:  a false statement purporting to be fact concerning another person or entity; publication or communication of that statement to a third person; fault on the part of the person making the statement amounting to intent or at least negligence; and some harm caused to the person or entity who is the subject of the statement".
In English and Welsh law the burden of proof is on the defendant to demonstrate what he said is defensible.
If what he said was true then job jobbed. I can recommend several good books and papers if you wish to know more.

I think you should read your books...in red...truth is a defense to libel....but the mccanns do not have to prove maddie didn't die in the apartment....amaral has to prove she did