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Cariad

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Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2014, 11:43:19 AM »
Eleanor opines in her usual fashion " And if he ( Amaral ) doesn't lose, which is not the same as winning,".

Comedy gold !

It tickled me too  8)-)))

Did anyone see the BBC news on Monday when John Kay held a copy of Dr Amarals book up to camera, described it's contents and referred to it as a best seller in Portugal?

Offline jassi

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2014, 11:45:24 AM »
It tickled me too  8)-)))

Did anyone see the BBC news on Monday when John Kay held a copy of Dr Amarals book up to camera, described it's contents and referred to it as a best seller in Portugal?

But that cannot be. We have been told otherwise by he who knows everything.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Online Eleanor

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2014, 12:59:41 PM »
Eleanor opines in her usual fashion " And if he ( Amaral ) doesn't lose, which is not the same as winning,".

Comedy gold !

If Amaral doesn't lose this Libel Trial it does not mean that The McCanns are Guilty.  So you can forget the arrests on The Court steps.

Amaral's hypothesis will still be just that.  And the right to libel anyone in Portugal will be a fact.

Offline slartibartfast

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2014, 01:04:28 PM »
If Amaral doesn't lose this Libel Trial it does not mean that The McCanns are Guilty.  So you can forget the arrests on The Court steps.

Amaral's hypothesis will still be just that.  And the right to libel anyone in Portugal will be a fact.

You have some strange ideas.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Online Eleanor

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2014, 01:11:21 PM »
You have some strange ideas.

Oh, you think The McCanns will be deemed guilty?  Other than in your mind, that is.

Forget it.  The fat lady sang on that one a long time ago.

Offline Montclair

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2014, 02:09:59 PM »
Oh, you think The McCanns will be deemed guilty?  Other than in your mind, that is.

Forget it.  The fat lady sang on that one a long time ago.

A verdict against the McCanns does not mean that they will be deemed guilty, it will only mean that they failed to present their case that they had suffered from the publication of the book. Nothing more nothing less. Nor does a verdict in their favour deem them to be innocent.

Online Eleanor

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2014, 02:12:03 PM »
A verdict against the McCanns does not mean that they will be deemed guilty, it will only mean that they failed to present their case that they had suffered from the publication of the book. Nothing more nothing less. Nor does a verdict in their favour deem them to be innocent.

Thank you for being honest about that.

Offline slartibartfast

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2014, 08:05:51 PM »
Oh, you think The McCanns will be deemed guilty?  Other than in your mind, that is.

Forget it.  The fat lady sang on that one a long time ago.

You were the one proposing that....
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Cariad

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Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2014, 11:01:58 PM »
Yes! and the bit where he explained what "Amaral's Thesis" is.
Seems like the beeb are breaking ranks under the amendments to our libel laws.

I was really surprised by it! I don't suppose that many people outside of us nutters in forum land had a clue about it before. I saw it at around half five on news 24, but a friend of mine said he'd seen it on the six o'clock news.

That's quite an audience!

Offline John

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #24 on: June 18, 2014, 11:19:44 PM »
I bet that pleased Amaral and his Publishers.  But what is happening now is not the same as what could occur later.

If Amaral loses, then I bet this Forum will have a rethink.

A rethink about what?  Can we change the evidence?  NO

Gonçalo has got his message out to a very large audience and in doing so has ensured that many more people worldwide are aware of Madeleine and her disappearance.  Far from hindering the search, he has brought her plight to an extremely large audience.

« Last Edit: June 18, 2014, 11:31:06 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #25 on: June 19, 2014, 02:56:59 PM »
The parents have NOT been cleared of their daughters disappearance- they are complicit at least in her eventual fate-what ever that was /is. i.e  if they had been with her their claims of abduction would not have happened.

I was shocked  about this libel trial-even more so when the book was banned. What evidence did they have that the contents of the book made Maddie suffer more? How did they know about her suffering? and how did it hinder the search. Who specifically, Did it stop  'looking' for their daughter- where were people to look for her ? New Zealand? Singapore?China? The Oprah Winfrey show?

They had no evidence that people stopped looking solely because of the contents of the book.
and they have no evidence that Maddie suffered as a consequence of the contents in that book... OR do they?

...and would it be more harmful to Maddie's well being, the contents of that book than say- being 'abducted' tortured, raped. murdered?

Those parents just don't get it!

They would not be allowed to take out a libel trial in the UK, it would not be deemed an appropriate use of court time. The pursuer has to present ACTUAL evidence.
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Carana

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #26 on: June 19, 2014, 02:59:42 PM »
A rethink about what?  Can we change the evidence?  NO

Gonçalo has got his message out to a very large audience and in doing so has ensured that many more people worldwide are aware of Madeleine and her disappearance.  Far from hindering the search, he has brought her plight to an extremely large audience.



He has brought her "plight" to a wider audience? Or his assertion that she's dead and that her parents have covered it up?

How is that intended to help find her?

Offline Benice

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #27 on: June 19, 2014, 06:12:09 PM »
The parents have NOT been cleared of their daughters disappearance- they are complicit at least in her eventual fate-what ever that was /is. i.e  if they had been with her their claims of abduction would not have happened.

I was shocked  about this libel trial-even more so when the book was banned. What evidence did they have that the contents of the book made Maddie suffer more? How did they know about her suffering? and how did it hinder the search. Who specifically, Did it stop  'looking' for their daughter- where were people to look for her ? New Zealand? Singapore?China? The Oprah Winfrey show?

They had no evidence that people stopped looking solely because of the contents of the book.
and they have no evidence that Maddie suffered as a consequence of the contents in that book... OR do they?

...and would it be more harmful to Maddie's well being, the contents of that book than say- being 'abducted' tortured, raped. murdered?

Those parents just don't get it!

They would not be allowed to take out a libel trial in the UK, it would not be deemed an appropriate use of court time. The pursuer has to present ACTUAL evidence.
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The content of the book IS the actual evidence.  Unless it has been grossly mis-translated then it is littered with lies, half-truths, wild distortions and ill-concealed nasty innuendo.   Hiding  the fact from his readers that he never met or spoke to Kate in his life, and only once briefly met Gerry being his most dishonest action of all IMO.  The McCanns would win a libel case against him in the UK hands down IMO.

However if the McCanns do win their case in Portugal - then even if they are not awarded any damages - I think they wouild be more than content with that verdict and would prefer to move on and have no more dealings with this corrupt ex policeman.  IMO

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

stephen25000

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Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #28 on: June 19, 2014, 06:22:48 PM »
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The content of the book IS the actual evidence.  Unless it has been grossly mis-translated then it is littered with lies, half-truths, wild distortions and ill-concealed nasty innuendo.   Hiding  the fact from his readers that he never met or spoke to Kate in his life, and only once briefly met Gerry being his most dishonest action of all IMO.  The McCanns would win a libel case against him in the UK hands down IMO.

However if the McCanns do win their case in Portugal - then even if they are not awarded any damages - I think they wouild be more than content with that verdict and would prefer to move on and have no more dealings with this corrupt ex policeman.  IMO

How was he 'corrupt' in this case benice ?

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #29 on: June 19, 2014, 10:01:04 PM »
Some people just do not like to lose an argument-but rather than be mature about it they start name calling. I will not be drawn to that level, therefore any abuse directed at me or about me will always be reported.
Back on topic:

The evidence would have been to show that Team Mc had a viable claim to make Mr Amaral withdraw or be forced to withdraw his book from the public as it harmed the search for their daughter, also they wanted Million of Euros as compensation for their alleged suffering, including little Maddie, (which I have mentioned before, NO ONE KNOWS if she did or has suffered from the contents of the book.

And I would further add, that Team MC have already stated on Many occasion,"there is no evidence that Maddie has come to any harm"

For those who missed by seeing red mist: Gerry McCann:"there is no evidence that Maddie has come to any harm"

Now, regardless of that; how do they know she suffered from the book contents and not the "being snatched form her bed by sex crazed paedophiles, raped tortured and left lying  to die alone?

Hm  anyone? they know, they said they know- well show us how you know-evidence.

This case at present is NOT about libe,l it is about money-compensation for harm caused.

With regards to the contents of the book. Mr Amaral was an investigative police officer, He suspected the mccanns were not telling the truth-I agree with him on that matter.

He wrote about the the investigation, and his THESIS- nothing wrong with that. Clever people do know what a Thesis is.

Note: parents kill their children- shocking I know, so lets not pretend that parents, no matter how they protest, can still be guilty.

I have never said what I believed happened to little Maddie. I  do not make wild accusations.
I may not agree with Mr Amarals' book, But I defend his rights to write it.

You would think they would be more upset with the paedophiles than a book! BUT well...
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin