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ferryman

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Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #405 on: December 13, 2014, 09:35:47 AM »
Perhaps we could compare with some other cases where top PR and top lawyers have been paid to mount a destroy at all costs campaign against a detective? I think you will find your list is so short you are unable to post it.

Perhaps you are unaware of the fatuousness of your comparison?

How many ex-policemen have set out to destroy anyone (manifestly demonstrated to be innocent of any crime after exhaustive investigation of two years) in a best-selling book, sold in several countries of one continent?

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Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #406 on: December 13, 2014, 09:48:29 AM »
Perhaps you are unaware of the fatuousness of your comparison?

How many ex-policemen have set out to destroy anyone (manifestly demonstrated to be innocent of any crime after exhaustive investigation of two years) in a best-selling book, sold in several countries of one continent?

Manifestly innocent ???

May I remind YET AGAIN,  there has been insufficient evidence to charge anyone so far, and there is little prospect of any change.

...and Amaral did not set out to destroy the mccanns. That's what the mccanns have being trying to do.

'he deserves to be miserable and feel FEAR'

Ring any bells ferryman ?


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Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #407 on: December 13, 2014, 10:19:36 AM »
Perhaps we could compare with some other cases where top PR and top lawyers have been paid to mount a destroy at all costs campaign against a detective? I think you will find your list is so short you are unable to post it.

Genuine question ... I have asked it before and never received a response.

Is there another case of the lead detective in a failed missing child inquiry ... writing an accusatory best selling book, allegedly based on the facts of the case, to implicate the child's parents in the disappearance and restore his 'honour'?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

stephen25000

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Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #408 on: December 13, 2014, 10:22:04 AM »
Genuine question ... I have asked it before and never received a response.

Is there another case of the lead detective in a failed missing child inquiry ... writing an accusatory best selling book, allegedly based on the facts of the case, to implicate the child's parents in the disappearance and restore his 'honour'?

' best selling book, '

Interesting choice of words.

'restore his honour'  &%+((£

Offline Mr Gray

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #409 on: December 13, 2014, 10:34:18 AM »
' best selling book, '

Interesting choice of words.

'restore his honour'  &%+((£

why do you think the book is now out of print?    @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*

with all the publicity of the libel case you would think people would be clamouring to buy it...probably because the publishers realise it's libellous... @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*

Offline lordpookles

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #410 on: December 13, 2014, 10:56:13 AM »
Can't think of another case where a lead detective has published a book before trial but Amanda Knox had her own PR team though this was after she had been arrested...

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Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #411 on: December 13, 2014, 11:00:00 AM »
Perhaps you are unaware of the fatuousness of your comparison?

How many ex-policemen have set out to destroy anyone (manifestly demonstrated to be innocent of any crime after exhaustive investigation of two years) in a best-selling book, sold in several countries of one continent?

I hadn't read down before I made my reply, which mirrors yours. 

It bemuses me that so much weight is given to the word of a person who was in effect the architect of his own downfall long before the Drs McCann set foot in Portugal. 

Expensive divorce, trying to defraud his brother over property, threats to an ex mistress and her family, defrauding the taxman, drunk driving with his daughter in the vehicle, expensively failed libel actions, what he saw as demotion to a desk job and a criminal conviction for perjury.

I think in 'The Truth of the Lie' we have an example not of 'trial by media' but an example of 'lynch law' in which the Drs McCann ... who along with Madeleine are the real victims here, have been tried and convicted of involvement in Madeleine's disappearance in a spiteful book.

That they had no option but to take action against that, is proven by posters here who ignore all evidence to the contrary and support the flawed theory outlined in the book nearly eight years down the line.

That such opinion harms the search for Madeleine?  The negativity of the numerous tiresome FOI requests; the negative petitions; the opposition to Operation Grange and organised campaigns mounted such as trying to bring down the Missing People website and tying up the CW switchboard when the police were waiting to take calls which might have included information about Madeleine's case.

There is no mystery why this action had to be taken ... the only mystery is why it is still in the Portuguese courts so many years down the line.

SNAP!  you beat me to it DCI
« Last Edit: December 13, 2014, 11:03:48 AM by Brietta »
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

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Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #412 on: December 13, 2014, 11:11:15 AM »
I hadn't read down before I made my reply, which mirrors yours. 

It bemuses me that so much weight is given to the word of a person who was in effect the architect of his own downfall long before the Drs McCann set foot in Portugal. 

Expensive divorce, trying to defraud his brother over property, threats to an ex mistress and her family, defrauding the taxman, drunk driving with his daughter in the vehicle, expensively failed libel actions, what he saw as demotion to a desk job and a criminal conviction for perjury.

I think in 'The Truth of the Lie' we have an example not of 'trial by media' but an example of 'lynch law' in which the Drs McCann ... who along with Madeleine are the real victims here, have been tried and convicted of involvement in Madeleine's disappearance in a spiteful book.

That they had no option but to take action against that, is proven by posters here who ignore all evidence to the contrary and support the flawed theory outlined in the book nearly eight years down the line.

That such opinion harms the search for Madeleine?  The negativity of the numerous tiresome FOI requests; the negative petitions; the opposition to Operation Grange and organised campaigns mounted such as trying to bring down the Missing People website and tying up the CW switchboard when the police were waiting to take calls which might have included information about Madeleine's case.

There is no mystery why this action had to be taken ... the only mystery is why it is still in the Portuguese courts so many years down the line.

SNAP!  you beat me to it DCI


LOL, Have you heard that recording of Amarals to Ana's husband, even in Portuguese it's hilarious, you can just picture him going purple in the face.  8()-000(
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Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #413 on: December 13, 2014, 11:22:56 AM »

LOL, Have you heard that recording of Amarals to Ana's husband, even in Portuguese it's hilarious, you can just picture him going purple in the face.  8()-000(

I read a transcript somewhere ... was that the 'golden gun' one? ...

I think the starting point for the disastrous handling of the case lies with the Portuguese authorities;  they should have appointed someone else as soon as Dr Amaral was made an arguido in Leonore's torture trial ... and given thought to that person being experienced in child protection protocols.

"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

ferryman

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Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #414 on: December 13, 2014, 11:36:37 AM »
Can't think of another case where a lead detective has published a book before trial but Amanda Knox had her own PR team though this was after she had been arrested...

Not even before trial, but without trial ...

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Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #415 on: December 13, 2014, 11:36:53 AM »
I read a transcript somewhere ... was that the 'golden gun' one? ...

I think the starting point for the disastrous handling of the case lies with the Portuguese authorities;  they should have appointed someone else as soon as Dr Amaral was made an arguido in Leonore's torture trial ... and given thought to that person being experienced in child protection protocols.

Amaral was made an arguido on the 4th May, so he should never have been near an investigation of another abduction, or any other case.
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Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #416 on: December 13, 2014, 11:46:33 AM »
Not even before trial, but without trial ...

Yep you're right of course. Trying hard to think of a case where someone has written a book about an unsolved case making allegations like this let alone by the lead detective. I remember Colin Stagg got an awful lot of sh1t for a long time, but not sure if he had books written about this before being charged. Obviously, the papers are a law unto themselves, so stuff has obviously been published before in other cases.

Offline Carana

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #417 on: December 13, 2014, 11:50:20 AM »
Genuine question ... I have asked it before and never received a response.

Is there another case of the lead detective in a failed missing child inquiry ... writing an accusatory best selling book, allegedly based on the facts of the case, to implicate the child's parents in the disappearance and restore his 'honour'?

There may have been more than one in the JonBenet case...
Cristovão wrote one on the Cipriano case (but he wasn't the lead investigator).

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Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #418 on: December 13, 2014, 11:58:02 AM »
There may have been more than one in the JonBenet case...
Cristovão wrote one on the Cipriano case (but he wasn't the lead investigator).

Steve Thomas the lead detective on the Ramsey case also wrote a book. I believe his name was pulled through the mud too.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/JonBenet-Inside-Ramsey-Murder-Investigation/dp/1250054796
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Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #419 on: December 13, 2014, 11:59:49 AM »
There may have been more than one in the JonBenet case...
Cristovão wrote one on the Cipriano case (but he wasn't the lead investigator).

Yes he wrote one about Madeliene too, didn't he.
 
He also started the Portuguese Association for Missing Children, the head of Portugal's new foundation for missing children. Odd he only lasted about 8 months.
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