So what's next in the libel trial saga?

[Anna]

This display of disgust for this rather vile individual would be a lot easier to stomach if it wasn't coming from posters who dismiss as unimportant semen found on an eight year old missing child's pants.

If you are referring to Joanna Cipriano:-
This specimen was never tested and like the supposed semen found in Maddie's bedroom, it was possibly not semen at all.

If you have a site from the forensic dept to the contrary, I would be grateful if you could  post it
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If you are not referring to Joana, can we ask who it is that you are referring too.

[faithlilly]

If you are referring to Joanna Cipriano:-
This specimen was never tested and like the supposed semen found in Maddie's bedroom, it was possibly not semen at all.

If you have a site from the forensic dept to the contrary, I would be grateful if you could  post it
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If you are not referring to Joana, can we ask who it is that you are referring too.

Joana Case: Crime of rape ignored to save money AEIOU Portuguese Portal
Joana Cipriano

29 October 2009
Thanks to Joana Morais for translation
 
Joana Cipriano was eight years old when she was last seen, on the 12th of September 2004, around 20h30. The little girl went on an errand on her mother's behalf to a nearby coffee shop in the Algarve village of Figueira, and never returned.
 
Joana's stepfather refused to participate in an analysis of the sperm found on the little girl's knickers to prove whether or not there was a crime of rape. The PJ gave up undertaking the examination in the US to save 10 thousand Euros.
 
After Joana Cipriano's stepfather, Leandro Silva, refused to give a sample of his semen for the analysis, the National Institute of Forensic Medicine suggested to the Polícia Judiciária (PJ) the making of a DNA test in the US.
 
However, the 'indication was not followed' by the Judiciary due to the amounts involved, 10 thousand Euros, as advanced by Correio da Manhã today. The PJ explained to the newspaper that the archival was made 'because even if it is proved that the sperm belongs to the suspect he can still allege that he cleaned his penis on the child's knickers'.
 
We recall that the police found in Leonor Cipriano's daughter's knickers, semen. Only an analysis would shed light regarding the crime of rape of the Figueira's child.'

Why else would Joana's stepfather refuse to give a sample to police other than it would incriminate him ?

[Anna]

Please adhere to the topic

[ferryman]

No, he [Amaral] was spot on.

That's why Kate hates him so much.

What, exactly, was Amaral 'spot-on' about?

According to him (in his book) he quotes Harrison as saying Madeleine's remains were definitely concealed somewhere in close proximity to the apartment.

But later, it appears as if the nefarious McCanns have driven the remains of Madeleine somewhere dead in the Renault Scenic  (to another country, Huelva in Spain).

So which is Amaral 'correct' about?

Did Harrison say Madeleine's concealed remains were somewhere in close proximity to apartment 5A?

Or were Madeleine's remains driven to Huelva in Spain?

[Wonderfulspam]

What, exactly, was Amaral 'spot-on' about?

According to him (in his book) he quotes Harrison as saying Madeleine's remains were definitely concealed somewhere in close proximity to the apartment.

But later, it appears as if the nefarious McCanns have driven the remains of Madeleine somewhere dead in the Renault Scenic  (to another country, Huelva in Spain).

So which is Amaral 'correct' about?

Did Harrison say Madeleine's concealed remains were somewhere in close proximity to apartment 5A?

Or were Madeleine's remains driven to Huelva in Spain?

That.... 'abduction'....aint wot 'appened.

That.

[ferryman]

That.... 'abduction'....aint wot 'appened.

That.

So what did happen?

Madeleine was transported somewhere dead in the Renault?

Madeleine wasn't transported somewhere dead in the Renault?

Madeleine's concealed remains were somewhere in close proximity to apartment 5a?

And if that's true, why an alert to the Renault?

So many questions.

So few answers ...

[Wonderfulspam]

So what did happen?

Madeleine was transported somewhere dead in the Renault?

Madeleine wasn't transported somewhere dead in the Renault?

Madeleine's concealed remains were somewhere in close proximity to apartment 5a?

And if that's true, why an alert to the Renault?

So many questions.

So few answers ...

Cross contamination?

Indeed, 1 out of 49 wasn't it?

[ferryman]

Cross contamination?

Indeed, 1 out of 49 wasn't it?

Cross-contamination?

Here is what Amaral said:

Correio da Manhã - What do you think happened to the body?

Gonçalo Amaral – Everything indicated that the body, after having been at a certain location, was moved into another location by car, twenty something days later. With the residues that were found inside the car, the little girl had to have been transported inside it.

How can you state that?

Due to the type of fluid, we policemen, experts, say that the cadaver was frozen or preserved in the cold and when placed into the car boot, with the heat at that time [of the year], part of the ice melted. On a curb, for example, something fell from the trunk's right side, above the wheel. It may be said that this is speculation, but it's the only way to explain what happened there.



(Correia de Manaha)

So, first, Amaral cites Harrison as saying that Madeleine is definitely dead and that her concealed remains are somewhere in close proximity to the apartment (Harrison didn't, but that's what Amaral claims.)

And later Amaral claims in a newspaper article that 'the body' (how I hate that phrase) was moved by car.

Small wonder there was such confusion at the libel trial ...

[stephen25000]

Cross-contamination?

Here is what Amaral said:

Correio da Manhã - What do you think happened to the body?

Gonçalo Amaral – Everything indicated that the body, after having been at a certain location, was moved into another location by car, twenty something days later. With the residues that were found inside the car, the little girl had to have been transported inside it.

How can you state that?

Due to the type of fluid, we policemen, experts, say that the cadaver was frozen or preserved in the cold and when placed into the car boot, with the heat at that time [of the year], part of the ice melted. On a curb, for example, something fell from the trunk's right side, above the wheel. It may be said that this is speculation, but it's the only way to explain what happened there.



(Correia de Manaha)

So, first, Amaral cites Harrison as saying that Madeleine is definitely dead and that her concealed remains are somewhere in close proximity to the apartment (Harrison didn't, but that's what Amaral claims.)

And later Amaral claims in a newspaper article that 'the body' (how I hate that phrase) was moved by car.

Small wonder there was such confusion at the libel trial ...

It's not a libel trial.

[ferryman]

It's not a libel trial.

Yes it is.

[stephen25000]

Yes it is.

Nope.

[ferryman]

Nope.

A trial to establish damage arising from (proven or admitted) libel.

[Montclair]

A trial to establish damage arising from (proven or admitted) libel.

When was the libel proven or admitted?

[stephen25000]

When was the libel proven or admitted?

ferryman has a vivid imagination.

[Mr Gray]

All the Portuguese papers refer to it as a trial re defamation..are they all wrong?