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Alfred R Jones

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Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #315 on: December 10, 2014, 12:59:29 PM »
If they lose (which I've no doubt they will) I hope they rise above the crowing and gloating and put it behind them. Things have move on considerably from when they started their action, and in a positive direction for the case.  There's no point wasting more money trying to get justice in Portugal, it's a bizarre system if you ask me, (which you didn't).

Offline Carana

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #316 on: December 10, 2014, 01:02:47 PM »
They were the architect of their own demise in the public opinion stakes.  If they lose let's hope they have deep pockets.  8(0(*

I'd agree that Amaral with his book / "documentary" wasn't the sole contributor (which makes it hard to quantify), but he was certainly a major one. I found his later spoutings in the media far worse, although the interviewers / voiceovers often made the salacious claims, but which he didn't correct. There is also the fact that 99% of the half-baked leaks were under his watch, but it would be virtually impossible to prove who actually leaked (bar one interview in which he asked to remain anonymous, but was named anyway).

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Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #317 on: December 10, 2014, 01:23:03 PM »
If they lose (which I've no doubt they will) I hope they rise above the crowing and gloating and put it behind them. Things have move on considerably from when they started their action, and in a positive direction for the case.  There's no point wasting more money trying to get justice in Portugal, it's a bizarre system if you ask me, (which you didn't).

I think you are one of the few people who agree with me that they might lose (at least in the first instance). However, I've slightly come back on that since Murat won his case against CdaM (albeit on appeal). A difference, perhaps, is that journalists (and press editors) have clearly established duties and Amaral doesn't qualify as one. On the other hand, his former position gives him more "credibility" than the village idiot on a soapbox.

Murat received a tiny amount, not because that was the estimated value of his reputation, but because it was impossible to quantify the damage caused.

A problem with PT law (if I've understood how it works) is that civil libel isn't different to any other civil liability case. If you smash someone's window, then the damage is limited to the costs involved. You produce bills to show how much the window cost to replace and that's it.

ETA:

A different point is that the crows will suddenly forget that the case concerns Portuguese legislation and will immediately assume that UK libel laws applied - i.e., that everything he's written / said was true and accurate, when that isn't how it works at all.

But yes, I agree that the search for what happened to their daughter has moved on since those days, but the McCanns weren't to know that at the time. On the other hand, a large percentage of those knitting in front of their TVs watching Júlia's pink couch matinée shows are no doubt still convinced that Amaral is a hero, thwarted by perfidious Albion. They will never read the files, nor keep a look out for her.

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Offline Anna

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #318 on: December 10, 2014, 01:28:55 PM »
Which paper was that, Anna?

Do you remember?

Sorry, Ferryman,
I missed your post. No I cant remember where I read it, but it will be in the link below.... somewhere.
I have looked, but I am rather, short of time right now.

This link is a good fast way, to get the latest too.
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/forum37.html
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline Angelo222

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #319 on: December 10, 2014, 01:30:32 PM »
I'd agree that Amaral with his book / "documentary" wasn't the sole contributor (which makes it hard to quantify), but he was certainly a major one. I found his later spoutings in the media far worse, although the interviewers / voiceovers often made the salacious claims, but which he didn't correct. There is also the fact that 99% of the half-baked leaks were under his watch, but it would be virtually impossible to prove who actually leaked (bar one interview in which he asked to remain anonymous, but was named anyway).

Amarals thesis is still as valid as any other and until it is finally proven what happened to Maddie is likely to remain so.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Carana

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #320 on: December 10, 2014, 01:34:06 PM »
Amarals thesis is still as valid as any other and until it is finally proven what happened to Maddie is likely to remain so.

If it were valid, why are there so many conspiracy theories along the lines that "he's right... but..."?

Murat won his case (on appeal) despite the fact that she still hasn't been found.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #321 on: December 10, 2014, 01:34:51 PM »
Amarals thesis is still as valid as any other and until it is finally proven what happened to Maddie is likely to remain so.
As valid as any other?  Really? 

Offline Carana

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #322 on: December 10, 2014, 01:39:06 PM »
I have yet to find anyone who finds his "thesis" workable, let alone work in the reality of the forensics and the dogs which he either genuinely didn't understand, or chose not to.

Offline jassi

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #323 on: December 10, 2014, 01:39:35 PM »
If it were valid, why are there so many conspiracy theories along the lines that "he's right... but..."?

Murat won his case (on appeal) despite the fact that she still hasn't been found.

Because people tend to disagree over the details.
The only people who consistently sing from the same hymn sheet are those who support the McCanns.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Carana

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #324 on: December 10, 2014, 01:45:04 PM »
Because people tend to disagree over the details.
The only people who consistently sing from the same hymn sheet are those who support the McCanns.

Details? The total misinterpretation of the forensic results is a "detail"?

I find that the people who consistently sing from the same hymn sheet are those who happily regurgitate long-dismissed myths from 2007. Why do they do this when they claim to have read the files?

Offline jassi

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #325 on: December 10, 2014, 01:48:43 PM »
Details? The total misinterpretation of the forensic results is a "detail"?

I find that the people who consistently sing from the same hymn sheet are those who happily regurgitate long-dismissed myths from 2007. Why do they do this when they claim to have read the files?

Only one of many details.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Carana

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #326 on: December 10, 2014, 01:50:26 PM »
Only one of many details.

LOL Jassi. I could interpret that as meaning that that is only one of the many details that he's got totally wrong, but I doubt that that is what you meant...

ferryman

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Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #327 on: December 10, 2014, 01:50:47 PM »
Sorry, Ferryman,
I missed your post. No I cant remember where I read it, but it will be in the link below.... somewhere.
I have looked, but I am rather, short of time right now.

This link is a good fast way, to get the latest too.
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/forum37.html

Hi Anna.

Earlier, a quote (but not the link) was provided from which I was able to track down the link to The Independent that, indeed, refers to court proceedings: right at the end of this link.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/madeleine-mccann-investigation-scotland-yard-fly-to-portugal-to-observe-new-questioning-9911764.html

This week, Mr and Mrs McCann will also hear final speeches from lawyers involved in a £1million libel action brought by the couple against former Portuguese Mr Amaral over claims he made in his 2008 book The Truth Of The Lie.

Offline jassi

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #328 on: December 10, 2014, 01:53:56 PM »
LOL Jassi. I could interpret that as meaning that that is only one of the many details that he's got totally wrong, but I doubt that that is what you meant...

No, it wasn't, but as we don't know what happened that night, we have no way of knowing which details may be right and which ones may be wrong- (excluding the limited forensics)
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Alfred R Jones

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Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #329 on: December 10, 2014, 01:55:20 PM »
Because people tend to disagree over the details.
The only people who consistently sing from the same hymn sheet are those who support the McCanns.
No they don't.  Some of us think Madeleine may still be alive, some are convinced she is dead.  Some think she was stolen to order, others that it was an opportunist crime.  Some believe the PJ deliberately set out to frame the McCanns, others don't.  Some believe the intruder may have entered and exited by the window, others think by the door or a combination of both.  There's lots of details we disagree on.  What we all agree on however is that Amaral wasn't very good at his job.