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Offline Mr Gray

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #570 on: December 15, 2014, 11:31:39 PM »
To attempt to determine on what basis and evidence both ferrymans and David's posts were based.

When there's none produced it highlights my position you've just quoted from my previous posts.

My post contain evidence.....

Offline Albertini

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #571 on: December 16, 2014, 07:34:28 AM »
My post contain evidence.....

No it contain your opinion.

You need to understand what evidence is.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #572 on: December 16, 2014, 07:38:54 AM »
No it contain your opinion.

You need to understand what evidence is.

The clip I posted is evidence to support my belief...it's you who doesn't understand...but think you do

ferryman

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Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #573 on: December 16, 2014, 08:03:32 AM »
So what you are saying is that the dogs are totally useless. You are really afraid of the dogs' indications, aren't you? Just like Gerry when he had to get in his little remark about them to the judge in Lisbon before she shut him up.

No.

That learned Portuguese judges (who presided over that ex-parte! judgment) didn't read the content of the files properly.

Otherwise they wouldn't have concluded that Amaral's book reflects what's written in the book

Offline Albertini

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #574 on: December 16, 2014, 08:09:28 AM »
The clip I posted is evidence to support my belief...it's you who doesn't understand...but think you do

It is your OPINION that the published statement is incorrect because in your OPINION it would not be correct for the judges to make that statement.

That ain't evidence my friend.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #575 on: December 16, 2014, 08:10:44 AM »
I simply can't believe that the judges stated that eddie detected cadaver odour on the key fob...even Grime doesn't say that.

stephen25000

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Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #576 on: December 16, 2014, 08:15:46 AM »
No.

That learned Portuguese judges (who presided over that ex-parte! judgment) didn't read the content of the files properly.

Otherwise they wouldn't have concluded that Amaral's book reflects what's written in the book

First you were a google dog expert, now you're a google judge.

What next ? @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*

ferryman

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Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #577 on: December 16, 2014, 08:17:03 AM »
talking of excellent reports...the following is reported to be part of the judgement made by the appeal court that overturned the injunction...

Eddie’ marked (or signalled) cadaver odour at the following locations:


•in the McCann couple’s bedroom in Apartment 5A (from where little Madeleine disappeared), in the area next to the wardrobe;


•in an area next to the living room window that has direct access to a street below - behind a sofa


•and in an area of the garden of the same apartment.



The dog ‘Eddie’ again marked the signal of cadaver odour at these additional locations:


•at the ‘Vista do Mar’ villa, which was rented by the McCann couple after Madeleine’s disappearance, in the area of a wardrobe that contained a soft toy that had belonged to the little girl;


•on clothing that belonged to one of the applicants in these proceedings, Kate Healy, Madeleine’s mother;


•on the outside of the Renault Scenic vehicle with the registration plate number 59-DA-27, which was rented by the Mccann couple after the disappearance (next to the driver’s door), and


•on that vehicle’s key/card. 



We know that this is blatantly untrue as Grime has said that the alerts are merely suggestive of cadaver odour and do not confirm the presence of cadaver odour...are we being grossly misled... I would say we are

Excellent cite, Dave, that fully illustrates the point that the court erred grievously in finding that Amaral's book is faithful to the files.

During the searches two Police dogs were deployed and although it has been stated that no physical remains were located in the area these dogs did give indications in several areas. These areas have been subject to a separate forensic examination that is beyond the scope of this report and at the time of writing laboratory tests are being undertaken. The dogs’ handler has submitted a separate report regarding the performance of the dogs (see appendix 4). However, it must be stated any such indications without any physical evidence to support them can not have any evidential value, being unconfirmed indications. Additionally I consider no inference can be drawn as to whether a human cadaver has previously been in any location without other supporting physical evidence.

Mark Harrison affirms, positively, that there were no physical remains ...

These ex-parte judgments ...

You just can't trust 'em.
« Last Edit: December 16, 2014, 08:23:43 AM by ferryman »

Offline Albertini

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #578 on: December 16, 2014, 08:17:17 AM »
I simply can't believe that the judges stated that eddie detected cadaver odour on the key fob...even Grime doesn't say that.

So now it's a belief rather than evidence?

Glad we've cleared that one up.

Offline Albertini

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #579 on: December 16, 2014, 08:20:37 AM »
Excellent cite, Dave, that fully illustrates the point that the court erred grievously in finding that Amaral's book is faithful to the files.

Marvellous so why didn't the McCann's legal team seek to get it overturned after they got their hands on the verdict or indeed have it corrected in this current trial by stressing to this current court the findings of the previous Judges was so wrong?

Either the Judge is correct or the McCann's legal team are incompetent.

Which is it?

ferryman

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Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #580 on: December 16, 2014, 08:24:45 AM »
Marvellous so why didn't the McCann's legal team seek to get it overturned after they got their hands on the verdict or indeed have it corrected in this current trial by stressing to this current court the findings of the previous Judges was so wrong?

Either the Judge is correct or the McCann's legal team are incompetent.

Which is it?

The third option: there was no recourse for further appeal ...

Offline Mr Gray

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #581 on: December 16, 2014, 08:27:49 AM »
So now it's a belief rather than evidence?

Glad we've cleared that one up.

The clip I posted is evidence and I stated my belief regarding it. It's a shame it's taken you so long to understand

Offline Mr Gray

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #582 on: December 16, 2014, 08:30:50 AM »
Marvellous so why didn't the McCann's legal team seek to get it overturned after they got their hands on the verdict or indeed have it corrected in this current trial by stressing to this current court the findings of the previous Judges was so wrong?

Either the Judge is correct or the McCann's legal team are incompetent.

Which is it?

Neither....They didn't bother to get it overturned because the libel trial will finally settle the issue...as you will see. The book is no longer in print so why bother to get an injunction...why is it no longer in print...do the publishers accept it's libellous?

Offline Albertini

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #583 on: December 16, 2014, 08:34:08 AM »
The third option: there was no recourse for further appeal ...

Marvellous, so why not get their legal team to mention it in this trial to further hammer home the advantage you believe they have in this current trial?

Offline Albertini

Re: So what's next in the libel trial saga?
« Reply #584 on: December 16, 2014, 08:34:48 AM »
The clip I posted is evidence and I stated my belief regarding it. It's a shame it's taken you so long to understand

No my love it's your belief based on your opinion. You've said so yourself.