So what's next in the libel trial saga?

[Mr Gray]

No need to wait look at the questions:

GP - asks if the constitution of the arguido status created a secondary trauma.
AP - says the McCanns were confused about not having been made arguidos sooner, because it was quite normal in an investigation for people close to the victim to be investigated first. He says they expected it.

GP - How did the couple react when they were made arguidos?
SH - says the McCanns didn't fear the arguido status because they knew they were innocent.

You'll note the question relates to being made or constituted Arguidos. Not how they felt later in the process.

But hats off for a valiant attempt at swerving it.

Perhaps albertini could explain why amaral has called so many witnesses to to support his theory if it has already been decided its not libellous...it's because it hasn't

[Alfred R Jones]

No need to wait look at the questions:

GP - asks if the constitution of the arguido status created a secondary trauma.
AP - says the McCanns were confused about not having been made arguidos sooner, because it was quite normal in an investigation for people close to the victim to be investigated first. He says they expected it.

GP - How did the couple react when they were made arguidos?
SH - says the McCanns didn't fear the arguido status because they knew they were innocent.

You'll note the question relates to being made or constituted Arguidos. Not how they felt later in the process.

But hats off for a valiant attempt at swerving it.

I'm not swerving anything, I'm giving my opinion (admittedly from a position of ignorance as I am neither Susan Hubbard, nor the McCanns).  why do you have to be so binary about things?  "Who was lying - Kate or Susan?"  Well, neither in my opinion.  And that's because what was being expressed WAS opinions, which differ from person to person and over time and in retrospect.  If you don't understand that, well, What more can I say.

[Mr Gray]

No need to wait look at the questions:

GP - asks if the constitution of the arguido status created a secondary trauma.
AP - says the McCanns were confused about not having been made arguidos sooner, because it was quite normal in an investigation for people close to the victim to be investigated first. He says they expected it.

GP - How did the couple react when they were made arguidos?
SH - says the McCanns didn't fear the arguido status because they knew they were innocent.

You'll note the question relates to being made or constituted Arguidos. Not how they felt later in the process.

But hats off for a valiant attempt at swerving it.

When will posters realise the importance of context in the meaning of a statement...it's only a basic concept. If you take a statement out of context you can completely change it's meaning

[faithlilly]

We are told in the writ that the McCanns were suffering from severe depression and anxiety, so why was no evidence presented to prove this ? No statement from their doctor detailing the help sought and help given. No reports from psychiatrists or, proper, psychologists visited. When you lodge a personal injuries claim the first thing your solicitor will do is have the effect the accident has had on your mental health assessed so why on earth wasn't that done by the McCanns.

[Mr Gray]

We are told in the writ that the McCanns were suffering from severe depression and anxiety, so why was no evidence presented to prove this ? No statement from their doctor detailing the help sought and help given. No reports from psychiatrists or, proper, psychologists visited. When you lodge a personal injuries claim the first thing your solicitor will do is have the effect the accident has had on your mental health assessed so why on earth was that done by the McCanns.

It has been said that much evidence was submitted to the court in written form. It would be quite reasonable not to want personal medical information splashed across the papers. The court may well have agreed to this...we don't know

[Mr Gray]

Amaral looks and acts like a beaten man yet posters here seem to think he has no case to answer. All will hopefully be revealed next month

[stephen25000]

Amaral looks and acts like a beaten man yet posters here seem to think he has no case to answer. All will hopefully be revealed next month

Really ?

Judging by the events in court, the mccanns are fearing a humiliating defeat, hence the call for extra witnesses, as they have not as Albertini,Faithlilly and others have stated, been able to justify their claims.

Shame, isn't it.

[ferryman]

Here is (an) example of why the McCanns will win:

After a week of intense work, Harrison presents the results of his study to my coordinating group. Even if we were expecting it, his conclusions confirm our worst fears. The most plausible scenario is the following: there is no doubt that Madeleine is dead, and her body is hidden somewhere in the area around Praia da Luz. He praises the quality of the work carried out by the Portuguese authorities in trying to find the little girl alive. According to him, the time has come to redirect the searches in order to find, this time, a body hidden in the surrounding area. 

(Gonclao Amaral, Truth of the Lie)

I am currently of the opinion on the available information and statistical datasets that if death has occurred, that it is possible that Madeleine McCann’s body has been disposed into the sea at Praia da Luz. (See my second report entitled “NPIA OP TASK Search Doc Beach and Marine”).

Mark Harrison, penultimate sentence and paragraph of his third and final report

And yet the woman at the trial was being "ironic" when she said that much of Amaral's book seems to be invented?

And according to the venerable sage Albertini on this forum, the final ruling lifting the injunction on Amaral's book that Amaral's book is faithful to the files is inviolate?

[stephen25000]

Here is (an) example of why the McCanns will win:

After a week of intense work, Harrison presents the results of his study to my coordinating group. Even if we were expecting it, his conclusions confirm our worst fears. The most plausible scenario is the following: there is no doubt that Madeleine is dead, and her body is hidden somewhere in the area around Praia da Luz. He praises the quality of the work carried out by the Portuguese authorities in trying to find the little girl alive. According to him, the time has come to redirect the searches in order to find, this time, a body hidden in the surrounding area. 

(Gonclao Amaral, Truth of the Lie)

I am currently of the opinion on the available information and statistical datasets that if death has occurred, that it is possible that Madeleine McCann’s body has been disposed into the sea at Praia da Luz. (See my second report entitled “NPIA OP TASK Search Doc Beach and Marine”).

Mark Harrison, penultimate sentence and paragraph of his third and final report

And yet the woman at the trial was being "ironic" when she said that much of Amaral's book seems to be invented?

And according to the venerable sage Albertini on this forum, the final ruling lifting the injunction on Amaral's book that Amaral's book is faithful to the files is inviolate?

As per usual ferryman, you are clutching at straws.

The reason for Madeleine's disappearance is unknown, and until that is determined, several 'options' remain on the table.

How do you whether or not the woman at the trail was being ironic ?

[faithlilly]

It has been said that much evidence was submitted to the court in written form. It would be quite reasonable not to want personal medical information splashed across the papers. The court may well have agreed to this...we don't know

Who has said that much evidence has been submitted to the court in written form ? Cite please ?

[ferryman]

Even Amaral's (latest in a long line of) lawyers seems to have given up on the theMcCannsdunsomethingdreadfultoMadeleineandcovereditup line:

But Miguel Cruz Rodrigues, for Mr Amaral, said the McCanns were suing 'to rid themselves of guilt for their negligent conduct and their conduct in relation to the investigation.
He added: 'There was a lack of cooperation with the police authorities.
'That lack of cooperation led to the archiving of the investigation.'


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Rodrigues seems to be plugging the "neglect"(non-issue), of course, dismissed by the prosecutors.

[stephen25000]

Even Amaral's (latest in a long line of) lawyers seems to have given up on the theMcCannsdunsomethingdreadfultoMadeleineandcovereditup line:

But Miguel Cruz Rodrigues, for Mr Amaral, said the McCanns were suing 'to rid themselves of guilt for their negligent conduct and their conduct in relation to the investigation.
He added: 'There was a lack of cooperation with the police authorities.
'That lack of cooperation led to the archiving of the investigation.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2868798/Former-Madeleine-McCann-police-chief-earned-hundreds-thousands-writing-distortions-conspiracy-theories-book-case.html#ixzz3M93Hpfgl
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Rodrigues seems to be plugging the "neglect"(non-issue), of course, dismissed by the prosecutors.

What will you do ferryman when the McCann's lose their case ?

[Montclair]

It has been said that much evidence was submitted to the court in written form. It would be quite reasonable not to want personal medical information splashed across the papers. The court may well have agreed to this...we don't know

Wrong! The only written evidence given were reports from Trickey and Pike after they had been on the witness stand. The judge had refused to accept them but on appeal they were admitted. But, even if they were admitted, the judge does not have to take them into consideration when she makes her decision. These reports were given afterwards so that the defence could not question Trickey and Pike about the contents. Also, these witnesses are not qualified psychologists.

[faithlilly]

Wrong! The only written evidence given were reports from Trickey and Pike after they had been on the witness stand. The judge had refused to accept them but on appeal they were admitted. But, even if they were admitted, the judge does not have to take them into consideration when she makes her decision. These reports were given afterwards so that the defence could not question Trickey and Pike about the contents. Also, these witnesses are not qualified psychologists or doctors.

Exactly Montclair. Why no report from their own doctor or a qualified psychiatrist or psychologist ?

[Mr Gray]

Wrong! The only written evidence given were reports from Trickey and Pike after they had been on the witness stand. The judge had refused to accept them but on appeal they were admitted. But, even if they were admitted, the judge does not have to take them into consideration when she makes her decision. These reports were given afterwards so that the defence could not question Trickey and Pike about the contents. Also, these witnesses are not qualified psychologists.

I take everything you say with a large pinch of salt...you don't even realise this is a libel trial....
you say I am wrong re written submissions then admit that there are written submissions and that they were admitted