So what's next in the libel trial saga?

[Angelo222]

Can you please provide evidence that half the population of the UK regards the McCanns as suspects please.  Frankly, I don't really give a toss what ill-informed individuals think regarding the McCanns guilt or innocence - as far as those who DO have all the information at the disposal the McCanns are not suspects, and have stated so publicly.  why you so desperately need to believe that Redwood is deceiving us is your problem, not mine.

He's a cop!  QED

[Benice]

Where has it been proved an abduction took place ?

P.S. A belief in one is not evidence, let alone proof.

The crime as it stands is unresolved.

Perhaps, if people like you, didn't continuously spout on about abduction, I wouldn't have to keep reminding you as to the current state of the crime.

People like me have decided that the PJ and SY have the necessary expertise to know more about the facts of this case than you do Stephen.   Hence their decision to rule out the McCanns and their friends as suspects  - which means they believe that Madeleine was removed from 5A by a stranger(s).     

[Alfred R Jones]

I have located the passage in the book that Albertini is using to make his or her point regarding the McCanns fear of being arguidos and it is nothing of the sort.  Here is the passage:

"the prospect of being separated from Sean and Amelie, holed up in jail unable to prepare our defence properly was terrifying.  Gerry was seriously considering sneaking us into a car and driving us all across the boarder to Spain.  It would have been crazy" - note no mention of a "midnight flit" for starters, and secondly and much more importantly it is very clear that it is a fear of being charged and thrown into prison that Kate is describing, not a fear of being made arguidos.  Albertini, you have been misleading us, shame on you!  And also, not the immediate caveat from Kate that doing such a thing would have been a crazy thing to do.  Sorry.  No leg left to stand on Albertini.  Off out for lunch now.

[Angelo222]

People like me have decided that the PJ and SY have the necessary expertise to know more about the facts of this case than you do Stephen.   Hence their decision to rule out the McCanns and their friends as suspects  - which means they believe that Madeleine was removed from 5A by a stranger(s).      Try to get over it.

The people who count and whose jurisdiction the case falls have not cleared anyone.

[stephen25000]

People like me have decided that the PJ and SY have the necessary expertise to know more about the facts of this case than you do Stephen.   Hence their decision to rule out the McCanns and their friends as suspects  - which means they believe that Madeleine was removed from 5A by a stranger(s).     

A belief is all they have benice.

NO FACTS, or the case would have been solved.

[Anna]

He's a cop!  QED

Did I misunderstand that comment, or do you really, have a problem with Law enforcers in general?

[Angelo222]

I have located the passage in the book that Albertini is using to make his or her point regarding the McCanns fear of being arguidos and it is nothing of the sort.  Here is the passage:

"the prospect of being separated from Sean and Amelie, holed up in jail unable to prepare our defence properly was terrifying.  Gerry was seriously considering sneaking us into a car and driving us all across the boarder to Spain.  It would have been crazy" - note no mention of a "midnight flit" for starters, and secondly and much more importantly it is very clear that it is a fear of being charged and thrown into prison that Kate is describing, not a fear of being made arguidos.  Albertini, you have been misleading us, shame on you!  And also, not the immediate caveat from Kate that doing such a thing would have been a crazy thing to do.  Sorry.  No leg left to stand on Albertini.  Off out for lunch now.

Answer this then smarty, why was Gerry contemplating doing a runner the night before they were to be interviewed as arguidos?  Was it because he feared being thrown in the jug?

[Benice]

The people who count and whose jurisdiction the case falls have not cleared anyone.

So you think that the findings/conclusions of the Portguese police force and the UK police force don't count?   What was the point of them re-opening the case then?

[Albertini]

This is a very tiresome argument. 

I have given evidence from Kate's book that supports the view that Kate was not afraid of being an arguido.   

You have given evidence from the book about Kate not being afraid BEFORE they were made Arguidos.

The questions put in Court and the running for the hills from the book centred on how they felt AFTER they were made Arguidos.

Please note and understand the fundamental and important difference.

If they had then gone on the run (as you describe it) then maybe you might have a point, but a fleeting moment of despair in which they consider such an action doesn't necessarily override EVERY other feeling or emotion they had about being made arguidos.

What would you describe "sneaking us into a car and driving over the border" as if not going on the run? One thing it is not, is the " they thought about leaving Portugal" in the casual manner you tried to suggest. 

They did not run away from their interrogators, they ran the barrage of the media onslaught outside the police station (and managed not to hit any cameramen in the process), they remained calm and dignified and defiantly courageous throughout the process, and left the station with their heads held high - not the actions of the fearful and tremulous.  Now, I have answered your questions repeatedly, are you ever going to address mine?

All jolly lovely but not one thing whatsoever to do with the point at hand.

The point at hand is that their own libel trial witnesses stated that AFTER they were made Arguidos they were not bothered about it.

However Kate's comment was directly at odds with those statements in court rendering the witnesses either as not knowing the state of the couple's well being (and being useless in terms of evidentiary value) or they were not telling the truth to the court and attempting to donwplay the impact of being made Arguidos.

[Angelo222]

So you think that the findings/conclusions of the Portguese police force and the UK police force don't count?   What was the point of them re-opening the case then?

I was referring to the Portuguese police and ministry of justice.   They haven't cleared anyone yet.

[Carana]

A different issue.

An analogy.

Someone postulates a theory that all flowering plants are green. At the time of this postulation, flowering plants weren't in bloom, but the premise was that - as the leaves were green - the flowers would also be green.

Is this an honestly held belief? Should spring / summer have shown that not all flowers are green? Should this view have been corrected?

Some may find that to be an honestly-held assumption at the time ... unless you're claiming to be a horticulturist.

[stephen25000]

A different issue.

An analogy.

Someone postulates a theory that all flowering plants are green. At the time of this postulation, flowering plants weren't in bloom, but the premise was that - as the leaves were green - the flowers would also be green.

Is this an honestly held belief? Should spring / summer have shown that not all flowers are green? Should this view have been corrected?

Some may find that to be an honestly-held assumption at the time ... unless you're claiming to be a horticulturist.

However, all leaves aren't 'green'.

[Benice]

A belief is all they have benice.

NO FACTS, or the case would have been solved

Their beliefs are based on the facts and info they have to hand - which are far in excess of what we have.     How else to you think they arrived at the conclusion that the McCanns and their friends were not implicated in Madeleine's disappearance?

Do you think they just said 'Did you do it?'.... and the McCanns said 'No'.... and SY and the PJ then said 'OK then we believe you'

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[stephen25000]

Their beliefs are based on the facts and info they have to hand - which are far in excess of what we have.     How else to you think they arrived at the conclusion that the McCanns and their friends were not implicated in Madeleine's disappearance?

Do you think they just said 'Did you do it?'.... and the McCanns said 'No'.... and SY and the PJ then said 'OK then we believe you'

I've that in abundance.

SY or the PJ haven't questioned the McCann's, otherwise they would have stated that.

Your absurd belief in abduction, is merely a defensive mechanism, since without that, all eyes point in one direction.

[Anna]

A different issue.

An analogy.

Someone postulates a theory that all flowering plants are green. At the time of this postulation, flowering plants weren't in bloom, but the premise was that - as the leaves were green - the flowers would also be green.

Is this an honestly held belief? Should spring / summer have shown that not all flowers are green? Should this view have been corrected?

Some may find that to be an honestly-held assumption at the time ... unless you're claiming to be a horticulturist.

A relevant analogy too, Carana.

If only we could see through the eyes of others and their perception of the situation as they see it.

The McCanns rarely displayed their inner feelings in public, so how could anyone except themselves, know what they were thinking when informed of their Arquido Status and the period following.